Santandercol
1817 posts
Jan 21, 2008
6:29 AM
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No offense meant here,but I've noticed some of you guys like to preach on RPDC.We're banned from talking about War,Politics or Governments and lots of other things on here and being an atheist myself I fail to see the humour in talking about god,jesus or religion on a pigeon site.Give us evolutionists a break,eh.JEEZ!!!----------
Kel.
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PR_rollers
383 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:12 AM
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--That's a good one canspinners I was laughng my a** off--------
check this out Canspinners ,when ever you want to fix something just click on edit right above your box and it takes you back and you fix what ever you want and hit save at the bottom,in case you didn't know.looking out for u..
p.s. oh oh I didn't write the whole word you ,,am I penalize..:))
Ralph....
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Canspinners
65 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:16 AM
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By the way Kelly for us believers god enables us to see alot . Hold onto your seat now is the guy you got the donecks from is his name Paul or Paulos from scarborough on
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Santandercol
1819 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:31 AM
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Hello Canspinners,
No I'm not a devil,far from it.I beleive in being good to other people and it may come back to you.Santander is the state in Colombia where my wife was born.My point is that if I want to hear about religion,I will go to church.I'm not judging you or anyone else by your statements about religion,but you don't hear me spouting off about Darwin's theory on this ROLLER -PIGEON website(tho in my opinion it would be alot more relevant than saying any god has anything to do with pigeons.If it makes you feel good talking about your experience with god,fill yer boots man,but must you inflict it on all of us here?I have complete tolerance for ANY religion.Just please don't tell me religion is neccessary in life to be a good person.
Yes,I bought my Doneks from Pavlos in Scarborough.He is very sick these days,I'm sorry to say,and needs to find a home for his birds as he can't look after them properly.
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Kel.
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Canspinners
66 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:36 AM
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Thamks PR for the info...i have alot of respect for you as i said in my previous notes most of us have come from tough areas and times and have risen above all the crap.. I know you are real especially because you have had the life experience of growing up in the south bronx.
Thanks
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Canspinners
67 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:49 AM
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Hey Kel why not talk about darwins theory share the knowledge let people decide for themselves what they want to beleave in. Genitics and cross breeding versus line breeding .Are we not al playing the evolutionary game with the breeding of our birds? I only talked about religion once you know when.. i mentioned it when I said the dove represents peace after afew of you guys were giving "Whats up a tough time" ...any ways lets get off this.
How much did he charge you for the donecks..I hope not too much.
I happen to know where he got his birds from he just started breeding donecks about 4 years ago after many years of not having birds
A real nice older man who got direct birds from greece after paying big bucks for them about 30 years ago gave paulos most of the birds for free... I hope god gave him the wisdom to reciprocate the same to you and only charge you for the shipping costs.
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Santandercol
1820 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:58 AM
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Canspinners,
I guess you know who didn't give him the wisdom you talk of cause yeah,I paid alot for my Doneks.He told me he has been into birds since he was six years old.All I'm concerned about is that I have good spinners,divers.
By the way,would you mind putting something on your user profile so we all know something about who you are.All respect my freind.
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Kel.
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Canspinners
68 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:58 AM
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Kel I have not seen pavlos for a while I have not heard he was ill I did notice he was advertising his birds for sale ......but i also know that alot of those doneck guys had major illness going through their coops and were losing 3-5 birds a day
I hope paul is doing oK I may drop in to see him.
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Canspinners
69 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:03 AM
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You should have good birds did you get blacks and reds ? I know the background of most of the birds
Did you pay over 50 a bird or under ?
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wafer kits
60 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:07 AM
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God bless you Kel.............Al Perron
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Santandercol
1822 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:08 AM
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Canspinners,
Yes I have a pair of reds and a pair of blacks and getting good production from them in the way of beautiful young birds.One black baldy cock cost me $180 and the rest $80 apiece + shipping.Total $500 for 2 pairs.I'm happy with the birds I received from Pavlos.
Please give him my best wishes if you see him.Thanks.
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Kel.
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Santandercol
1823 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:10 AM
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Al,
Thanks,but I don't know if it will help.LOL.I'll find out if and when the pearly gates come into view.----------
Kel.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2090 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:20 AM
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Hey All, the evolution debate has occurred on this site and I am happy to have someone bring it up again. I am less than a mere layman on the topic, but I have not had anyone convince me that the actual observable science backs up evolution to the level of calling it a fact.
Just 1 book titled "Darwin's Black Box" written by an evolutionist has me wondering how anyone can actually believe that evolution is now or has ever actually occurred.
From my point of view, it takes more "faith" to believe in the "theory" of evolution than to look around me and say that a supreme intelligence was involved in our existence.
Kelly, as for being a good person, that has absolutely little if anything to qualify me as a Christian to entrance into heaven.
If is my belief that Jesus died for the sins of mankind and that a personal relationship with Him causes a turning away from our fleshly ways to follow Him and live our lives according to his will for us.
Kelly, you're being an atheist is your choice, my being a Christian is my choice. Debating our goodness or deeds is not relevant to a relationship with Christ and experiencing redemption in Him.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Canspinners
70 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:26 AM
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I just lost any bit of respect i had for Paul.
He must be desperate for money and has obviously turned the hobby into a business which is ok but he overcharged you. He should have not charged you no more than 50.00 a bird tops
All the birds Pauvlos has and his other buddy who ships birds to the states for the mighty dollar were given to both of them for free by my dad .. except for one pair my dad actually charged him 100 bucks for.He must have gotten close to 80 birds for free from my dad who is now in his 30th year of having this line off direct imports.
Actually Pavlos turned his back on my dad after he figured he couldn't milk him for anymore free birds.
Thats why Isaid in an other post there are alot of pigeon men but only a few pigeon Gentlemen. Kel I believe you are a good person and respect your opinon as well just haveing some fun on the site helps the brain to stay active and sharpe...Were the birds booted or clean legged?
How long ago did you get the birds?
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Built4Speed
63 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:37 AM
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Well said Tony!
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Dale
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Canspinners
71 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:45 AM
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Well said Tony.
Also I have nothing against people selling pigeons for what they are worth or for having a bussiness to support peoples needs in the hobby.But i do object to people being overcharged and taken advantage of by backyard amatures of the hobby.
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wafer kits
61 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:23 PM
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Hi Kel;
The pearly gates will come into view but many will not be able to enter them. I hope you are not one of them. Al
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J T
135 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:33 PM
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Canspinner,
If you have time shoot me a line.
I would like to ask you and your Dad
a few questions.
Thanks
jallen456@earthlink.net
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ezeedad
274 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:35 PM
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Tony,
First of all I believe in God. But it is clear to me that evolution has given rise to the diversity of life that we see all around us.
Also, I think that by now most scientists that look with an unbiased eye see evolution as fact.
Probably the most convincing evidence came out when Carl Woose constructed a "tree of life" based on genetic information. It showed that all living things are related, and further work has shown that all human genes can be traced all the way back to our bacterial ancestors.
Also, some years back, Pope John Paul said that in view of the overwhelming evidence he could no longer deny that humans and apes had evolved from a common ancestor.
Charles Darwin was a beleiver in God.. He was also a pigoen breeder.
Paul Gomez
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wishiwon2
25 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:37 PM
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If man had to gamble wether there be a God and that we are accountable to him OR that God doesnt exist and we are left to our own condition ..... wouldnt it be prudent to admit that God may exist vs. not. I mean if you're wrong, what have you lost. On the other hand, we could lose everything ... Not trying to argue, just thinking aloud.
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PR_rollers
388 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:39 PM
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Good point Wish I won,,i would rather believed then be sorry..
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Ralph....
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luis
538 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:40 PM
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Ok folks just like Kel got judgemental about our expressions of faith,we must in turn not get judgemental about his disbelief!It's your choice Kel just make sure you don't close your eyes or heart to anything including GOD!He has a way of letting us see him,but if you are completely closed up about him you'll miss it everytime.You might not care,but he does.
Just my belief Kel and i respect yours,just don't tell people not to express theirs.I believe it's a freedom we have here!Unless Tony gives us a NO MORE ultimatum.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2097 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:46 PM
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Hey Paul, I love this topic! :-)
These guys can talk genes, and branches and roots, but they cannot explain how on the molecular level where the rubber meets the road, a cell changes its function and becomes something else other than what it already is.
Each and every component in a cell performs a specific function, change just 1 tiny feature and the entire cell does not work. It is like a little engine.
So, in effect, we are being asked to believe that the bicycle factory suddenly became a motorcycle factory? By what process did it "know" it wanted to become a motorcycle factory?
How did it know what a motorcycle was or that is should want to become one? I think your faith is stronger than mine!?
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rollerman132
207 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:51 PM
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I don’t know about that evolution stuff, they first said we came from apes then they said we came out of the ocean as ooze, all I need for them to say now is that we came from pigeons, after hearing that how can I pull the neck of a distant relative.lol
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ezeedad
276 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:56 PM
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Tony,
DNA evidence does explain exactly where the rubber meets the road.. It is the blue print.. the gene sequences that produce all the proteins of living things.. And not all changes will result in a bad outcome. The bad changes get culled out of existence by natural selection.. The good changes go into the stock loft...
And it doesn't happen suddenly.. It has taken over 3.75 billion years to get us to where we are.
Paul Gomez (not the other Paul thry're talking about)
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Bill C
64 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:57 PM
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I am glad to see that acknowleging God is still exceptable in some places. USA was based on such freedom and some are always trying to make us conform to thier way or take away the word God in school and money and now here. Let freedom rein!!!!!!!!!Bill C
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ezeedad
277 posts
Jan 21, 2008
12:59 PM
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Rollerman123..
You're eating your distant relatives too... How about that..!! LOL..!!!
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ezeedad
278 posts
Jan 21, 2008
1:02 PM
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BillC,
I am a science teacher in a public school..and I used to have a picture of Jesus hanging on my classroom wall FOR YEARS...and nobody said a thing...
Paul G
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pat66
106 posts
Jan 21, 2008
1:03 PM
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All I know is GOD is great and he loves everyone,GOD BLESS----------
Pat
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rollerman132
209 posts
Jan 21, 2008
1:10 PM
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Ezeedad
As long as they don’t talk back, I’ll keep eating them. I’ll never let a hot buffalo wing get the best of me. lmao
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ezeedad
279 posts
Jan 21, 2008
2:15 PM
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LOL...!! Good for you Rollerman...!! That's right...!!
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SiDLoVE
124 posts
Jan 21, 2008
2:22 PM
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The power of words
"Watch over your heart with all diligence, for from it flows the springs of life. Put away from you a deceitful mouth, and put devious lips far from you." (Proverbs 4:23-24)
I want to encourage you today to watch what you are saying. Your words have creative power and you use them as a destructive force or as an instrument of blessing. If you continually speak negative words over your life, then eventual defeat will be the result. In the same way, if you speak words of faith and victory, you will see a harvest of blessing not only in your own life, but also in the lives of those around you.
We challenge you to watch over the words you speak. When you find yourself in a difficult situation, don't say the first thing that pops into your head. Learn to control your emotions and take those thoughts captive. When you use words of faith and victory, God will fight your battles for you. You'll overcome every challenge that you face and you will live the abundant life that God has in store for you.
God, I believe I can change my world by changing my words. I will speak of my visions, my dreams, and my hopes. I will declare, this day, that I can do all things through Christ and that I am more than a conqueror! I can do all these things because You first believed in me. In Jesus' Name – Amen.
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Oldfart
423 posts
Jan 21, 2008
2:55 PM
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I believe, I believe we all have the right to believe, period! Are we not together, to discuss pigeons? Rollers first, but any other pigeon any other time. Santandercol, was only trying to point out that we were far afield from the intended topic.
JMHO, Thom
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PR_rollers
393 posts
Jan 21, 2008
4:22 PM
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all i know is that these words is what help me get through hard times in my life ,,,,", ,With HIM, In Him and Through Him all things are possible....I can do all things through Christ which strengthen me.....AMEN''''
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Ralph....
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Snake Doctor
153 posts
Jan 21, 2008
4:27 PM
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Great post guys, I am grateful we live in a nation that affords each of us the freedom to believe as we choose and the right to discuss that belief.
I also believe that God has given us the freedom to choose or not. It is His will that all believe although some will not, He will not force faith.
I hope that what I believe doesn't threaten anyone, while at the same time I am not threatened by what anyone else believes.
I stand ready to give answer to anyone who asks, the reason for my hope in Jesus Christ.
My God is big enough to have created all that is, in any way He chose to.
I believe in miracles and am a living, walking, talking testimony of the power of a praying mother and grandmother.
God answers prayer!
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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PR_rollers
394 posts
Jan 21, 2008
4:53 PM
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where did you read that information about what the Pope said.i want to read this,,I have never heard of this..
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Ralph....
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ezeedad
282 posts
Jan 21, 2008
6:48 PM
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Arlen,
First your statement that we haven't been able to synthesize amino acids is wrong... Amino acids have been synthesized early in the 1900s...
Also the fossil record is full of countless examples of transitional species leading from one form to another..
But, beleive what you wish....
Paul G
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ezeedad
283 posts
Jan 21, 2008
6:53 PM
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THE CUTTING EDGE
NEWSBRIEF: Chicago Tribune, Friday, 10/25/96, "POPE BOLSTERS CHURCH SUPPORT FOR EVOLUTION", by Stevenson Swanson, Tribune Staff Writer, Dateline: New York.
"In a major statement of the Roman Catholic Church's position on the theory of evolution, Pope John Paul II has proclaimed that the theory is 'more than just a hypothesis' and that evolution is compatible with Christian faith. In a written message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope said the theory of evolution has been buttressed by scientific studies and discoveries since Charles Darwin ... "It is indeed remarkable that this theory has progressively taken root in the minds of researchers following a series of discoveries made in different spheres of knowledge', the pope said in his message Wednesday. 'The convergence, neither sought nor provoked, of results of studies undertaken independently from each other constitutes, in itself, a significant argument in favor of this theory..."
"If taken literally, the Biblical view of the beginning of life and Darwin's scientific view would seem irreconcilable. In Genesis, the creation of the world, and Adam, the first human, took six days. Evolution's process of genetic mutation and natural selection-the survival and proliferation of the fittest new species-has taken billions of years, according to scientists ..."
"The Pope's message went much further in accepting the theory of evolution as a valid explanation of the development of life on Earth, with one major exception: the human soul. 'If the human body has its origin in living material which preexists it, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God', the Pope said."
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Santandercol
1825 posts
Jan 21, 2008
7:06 PM
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Excuse me for not responding sooner but have been outside all day pruning trees and hauling firewood,2 of my favourite things.
Pardon the pun fellas but,,Holy Rollers!!I'm glad I made this post as it has definately spurred some lively debate.Sorry to say,I'm in no position to carry the debate on about Darwinism or religion or whether which is correct or not.I'm just a simple guy with my own beleifs about the way the world is and I'm not trying to change anyone elses veiws about god or Jesus or evolution or anything.My only point is the following,,,,,,,When I'm happily reading through the posts here on RPDC and come upon something referring to how God can help and all this whatever it was Sidlove was on about it seems like we are being preached to and ya know what!?The Jehovahs don't even look twice at my front gate.I guess they get the vibe er something but really I don't need it personally.Kinda like politics and religion,,,rollers and religion really shouldn't be mixed,eh?Like,can't ya write"Off Topic--I'd like to preach"?Sure,I've said I might pray to the Roller Gawd before I let my birds out but in reality I think fireworks work better.Maybe I do have a little of the ol' Diablo in me but he's not hte nasty kind if you can catch my drift.
Peace on Earth and Health to our Birds,
Kel.
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SiDLoVE
125 posts
Jan 21, 2008
8:39 PM
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"No man has ever seen, heard or even imagined the wonderful things God has in store for those who love the Lord." (I Corinthians 2:9)
"I lift up my eyes to the hills—where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth." (Psalm 121:1-2).
sidLOVe*
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Santandercol
1829 posts
Jan 21, 2008
9:44 PM
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Sidlove,
Are you for real?
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Kel.
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Santandercol
1830 posts
Jan 21, 2008
9:59 PM
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Canspinners,
Sorry to hear that,but I don't feel like I was really taken advantage of.I wanted something he had and was willing to pay his price so now I'm happy with what I have.I couldn't find Doneks anywhere in western Canada so went with what I could find.
My Doneks are all booted some more than others.
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Kel.
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Spin City USA
16 posts
Jan 21, 2008
10:03 PM
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Great post Tony. Right on Sid love, I think your for real. Paul Gomez, are you Paul the potter who used to run with Norwood in L.A.? You dont need Jesus to be a good person, There are lots of good people, but He paid for our salvation, its a gift. As reciever I became a believer.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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wafer kits
62 posts
Jan 21, 2008
10:09 PM
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I have read that even Darwin repudiated his own theories just before he died. Voltaire once said that God would be dead within 100 years. 100 years later they were distributing bibles from Voltaire's house. The carbon testing that claim that fossilized trees are millions of years old have proven to be inaccurate. Oil deposits they say take many eons to develope, they can develope in 20 minutes in a lab. One famous creationist offered $10,000 (amount???) to anyone who could prove evolution.....That money has never been claimed. There are some highly educated men on this list but, in His day, a humble carpenter had more wisdom than the wisest men of the time. God said it and I believe it and that settles it! Al
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Santandercol
1831 posts
Jan 21, 2008
10:13 PM
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You know guys the debate could go on and on about religion but then it would lead to politics and how church and the state are tangled up which leads to why wars are started and so many of us will get pissed at what others are saying why the heck can't you guys keep to pigeons for cryin' out loud.If we want to read the psalms,the bible is there for all to read.WHAT are you doing bringing religion into a bird forum? is what I'm saying.It's not like religion is a hobby or anything.If your freedom of speech means feeding religion to others on a bird forum,how would you think if someone started preaching socialism or sex or rap music or free marijuana seeds on this site?Think about it.We're here (at least most of us) for Roller talk or pigeons.Not to be given a sermon.
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Kel.
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luis
544 posts
Jan 21, 2008
10:54 PM
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Sorry Kel but we have freedom of expression here unless dictated otherwise from Tony.If you don't agree with the contents just pass it up.Sidlove i personally love the word of GOD.It lifts my spirit like nothing else in the world,specially when i feel i'm being guided... and it happens to me a lot!Mere coincidence...i truly doubt it!I do understand Kel and we should keep post within their contents,but keep it coming!You're not hurting anybody...on the contrary!!!
Hey Kel,one of my best friend is an atheist and we get into these discussions much less these days.He respects me and i respect him(he's a very inteligent man)but completely opposed the idea of GOD.He also realizes he will never convince me with his theories.I don't believe anyone is preaching to you,so like i said before if you're that opposed to the word of GOD..........just pass it up!
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Santandercol
1833 posts
Jan 22, 2008
5:32 AM
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So,very well Luis,,,may I ask you something?When god made the commandment "Thou shalt not kill another man",why is it Christians go to other countries in the world and commit such sins?Why does HE allow so much suffering in the world?
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Kel.
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birdman
472 posts
Jan 22, 2008
7:15 AM
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Kel, the commandments were given to show that no mortal man could be righteous enough to keep them. Not even Christians. We are all guilty of breaking them. Thankfully Jesus was and is the sacrificial lamb who died on the cross for the sins of the entire world once and for all. The gift of forgiveness and eternal life is promised to all who believe.
Kel, birds of a feather flock together whether we're birds of the roller flock or birds of the Christian flock. I'm happy to be part of both flocks and know that all of us would welcome you with open arms should you ever decide to join us in the other.
Peace,
Russ
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Santandercol
1835 posts
Jan 22, 2008
7:21 AM
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Russ,
Thank-you for the invite but for now I'll remain only a fully-fledged bird nut.That is where I find my peace.
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Kel.
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
389 posts
Jan 22, 2008
7:34 AM
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Kel, it really goes deeeper than that. Once the first made fell to earth and separated (from GOD) ,they fell into a world of decay, corruption,disease,sickness,killing,and death, a negative world that belonged to the prince of the air(satan), so being we became separated from GOD and adopted all of this .Thanks to ADAM and EVE.He loved us so much that through one Adam we fell,, HE gave us back a Adam (JESUS) to give us back what we should of had from the begining. He loves you very much ,that he gives(( YOU )),not forcing but the same choice he gave to Adam . You choose,,,, eternal Life in paradise with GOD,,,, or eternal life in pain with satan,,, it's your choice my friend.
R-LUNA
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