rtwilliams
5 posts
Jan 30, 2008
8:23 PM
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As a newbie and reading your posts, I one; have a great time and two; am learning alot about this breed. It is great to read all the advice and opions. Someday I hope to post my own. As I read about who is now #1 and about individual experience with those names I had to wonder:
WHAT WAS THE BEST PIECE ADVICE YOU EVER RECIEVCED FROM YOUR ROLLER MENTOR OR ANOTHER FLIER?
Thanks Tony This site is awsome for the Newbie
rtwilliams
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Santandercol
1888 posts
Jan 30, 2008
8:36 PM
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"Watch your birds closely.You might learn something."Monty Neible said that.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2008 8:37 PM
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PR_rollers
461 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:25 PM
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Welcome rtwilliams,
I read alot of books of the Birmingham Roller so i call some of these Men my mentor.
"If you Pay attention to your pigeons, your pigeons will pay attention to you..Paul Bradford,,,
"As far as birds to be use for future breeders,see that none go into your breeding loft that is not a bird of proven quality ".
"Do not give away birds of poor quality that will only produce birds of the same" and preach that to all beginners Bob Evans----
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Ralph....
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Flipmode
84 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:27 PM
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First of all welcome. And these are the best pieces of advice that I received. (1)Always let your birds do the talking. (2)Breed Hard, Fly Hard & Cull Hard. Good Luck!
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rollermanx0
287 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:30 PM
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breed for a reason, stock for a reason, cull for a reason....
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rOLLerManx0
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PR_rollers
463 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:33 PM
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and not just for the season huh roller lol..
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Ralph....
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MGS LOFT
44 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:39 PM
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EHRADIKATE THE NAGITIVE AND ASSINSHUATE THE POSSITIVE.....
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rollermanx0
289 posts
Jan 30, 2008
9:46 PM
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PR, YA FEEL ME..LOL!
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rOLLerManx0
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SpinCityRollers
80 posts
Jan 30, 2008
11:39 PM
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the Best advice given to me is to watch your bird they will teach you more than anybody can Period.
Not only watch but know what you looking for and then he showed me what to look for and then it began.
boy was i pissed when he told me that
I was pissed who the hell did he think he was.
well he was my savior.
I learn that from I guy that was in the sport for 4 yrs after I ve been doing it for 20 yrs
Madmax2@@8
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bman
537 posts
Jan 31, 2008
6:42 AM
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Take care of your stock loft FIRST!!!
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Electric-man
1088 posts
Jan 31, 2008
8:11 AM
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Big women are like mopeds! Not sure how this pertains here, but it sure has helped kept my contious clear over the years! LOL
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 8:12 AM
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Windjammer Loft
199 posts
Jan 31, 2008
8:15 AM
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Don't FLY, what you can't afford to LOSE.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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yang501424
86 posts
Jan 31, 2008
8:23 AM
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Best advise i'll say dont harm any BOP.
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GGpwnzor Loft
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Steve_uk
320 posts
Jan 31, 2008
9:14 AM
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Never rat on you friends and always keep your mouth shut.
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Mount Airy Lofts
429 posts
Jan 31, 2008
9:34 AM
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Even if you waste 100 good birds to the new guys, it was all worth the heart ache if you can grain just one more flier, one more life time Roller man.
A good friend that all ways had a smile on thought me this.
Thor
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nicksiders
2515 posts
Jan 31, 2008
11:26 AM
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Shut up and listen........my wife of 40 years
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iride56
5 posts
Jan 31, 2008
12:03 PM
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Get the best birds you can get,, Then close the door to your loft,,, Breed um the way you want them,, And only the best of the best go back to the breeding loft,,,,,
Mike
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W@yne
1006 posts
Jan 31, 2008
12:23 PM
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Always keep your pigeon loft securely locked when not around.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Oldfart
432 posts
Jan 31, 2008
12:30 PM
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The easiest way out of a hole, just stop digging ;-)
Thom
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J_Star
1531 posts
Jan 31, 2008
12:31 PM
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Never fall in love with any one bird.
Jay
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rtwilliams
6 posts
Jan 31, 2008
2:00 PM
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thanks for the advice and for sharing.
HMM Mopeds fun to ride but don't let your friends see ya.
sounds like a newbie should start by spending his money on good birds and good locks.
thanks again
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sundance
421 posts
Jan 31, 2008
3:55 PM
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keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.(Mom)
and.... I dont have the best, but i`m trying.( C.W. Folkening)
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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kcfirl
264 posts
Jan 31, 2008
4:04 PM
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I have 2,
1st was from Heine Bijker, "you need to get birds that roll with their wings up. Yours roll with their wings out".
2nd was from KGB "that bird is as good as it gets. you need to get 20 more just like her in your kit".
In both cases, my initial reaction was defensive and I was pissed. Then, after I took some time to think about it, I was able to accept the comments as constructive criticism and move forward.
After Heine's comment, I went out looking for rollers with better style and speed. Now I have a hard core line based on 2 hard core MAster flyers with straight Pensom blood.
After KGB's comment, I put that bird inopt the stock loft and never flew her again. The pair that made her is back together and she is on my 2nd best cock. (her dad is my number one)
I can't tell you how many times I've seen guys get pissed and/or hurt and in a few cases quit flying completely when criticized by the judge opr other flyers. I look at the criticism from guys like this as pure gold now.
The key is to keep your humility and not be defensive. Look at who is giving the criticism and judge it accordingly and decide what actions you will take based on the input.
Of course, much of the criticism comes from those who are only talking. The key is to be able to discern the valid from the invalid.
Regards,
Ken firl
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Fire_Baller_916
88 posts
Jan 31, 2008
4:09 PM
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Kids and wife comes first, then your birds...LOL...
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Chai
Raining Fire Loft
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smoke747
710 posts
Jan 31, 2008
4:51 PM
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I like that Ken, well said.
smoke747
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rollernutz
57 posts
Jan 31, 2008
5:47 PM
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The best advice i received would be "a clean loft, fresh water and food daily = healthy pigeon"
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Snake Doctor
165 posts
Jan 31, 2008
5:53 PM
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Take your time, don't be in a hurry, read all you can get your hands on, visit as many lofts as you can, see as many kits fly as possible, concentrate on one family of birds till you get some time under your belt!
I'm a newbie and trying hard to follow the above!
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"Semper Fi"
SD
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 5:53 PM
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luis
590 posts
Jan 31, 2008
5:58 PM
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"He who rides mopeds and Kawasakis' gets to ride twice"...LOL !!
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 8:05 PM
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DeepSpinLofts
261 posts
Jan 31, 2008
7:37 PM
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Hi rtwilliams......
Best advice ever is simply this:
====> "Breed Best to Best"!
....however
It's imperative that 1 of the breeders be a pre-potent rolling pigeon. This means it will produce good rollers on any decent pigeon. Something that's quite important also is that the siblings & offsprings need to be able to do the same thing. Many around here will say the general idea is that the birds must be able to reproduce themselves.
Moving on.... you need to learn the in's and outs of the rollers that you are breeding, producing & training. I've been taught that the tighter the gene pool we work with, the easier it is to develop & bring our family of performers together in proper fashion.
NOTE: We can start with a couple pair of decent performers and after a few years of hard work, anticipation, education, dedication, motivation, good selection out of the air and good loft management...etc, we can end up in a similar situation as some of the top flyers in the world.
...but
Keep in mind that it might take us a little longer to do so, but the road to sweet success is well worth the effort if you effortlessly pursue it.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 7:39 PM
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Santandercol
1891 posts
Jan 31, 2008
8:35 PM
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Can you guys explain this Moped thing yer on about.What's so bad about Mopeds?Do you know how many people and how much stuff ya can carry on a Moped?HAH!!Ya'll should go check Asia and see how many Mopeds they got there!----------
Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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rtwilliams
19 posts
Feb 19, 2008
8:56 AM
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Thank you to everyone who posted some advice. I hope that newbies like myself can use it.
Thanks again
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gotspin7
1267 posts
Feb 19, 2008
9:47 AM
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Fly your birds!LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1172 posts
Feb 19, 2008
10:28 AM
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Be Patient..........Which most of the time im not.....lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Alohabirds
103 posts
Feb 19, 2008
11:23 AM
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BALANCE........
Balance the time spent with the birds and your family wisely.
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Aloha, Dexter
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Scott
56 posts
Feb 19, 2008
3:49 PM
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I was taught what was right and what wasn't , and that means analizing the roll, any bird not capable of doing it correctly from start to finish is a cull,that means no wingswitch or glitch what so ever, wings up and exiting the roll correctly and cleanly at a decent velocity,and doing it with stability (no bumping and knowing when to cut loose and when not to).
Who was most instrumental for me and teaching me was Jack Meyers, I see far to many new guys with no guidence or the wrong guidence accepting far less, and that isn't good for them or the breed
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Bill C
81 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:31 PM
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I think one of the best advice I got for flying a kit in competiton was from Ken Firl. He told me to fly four or five at a time and pick out the best ones.
It took me 1 1/2 days to fly four or five birds but when I did this I had a great team together that was more competitive. I put special band rings on those that should be in the A team and now I will keep track of them. I have noticed some I pull out a year later for one reason or another. When you have hold over birds, this is the way to go to forming a kit. I used binoculars and flew different colors so I could tell each one apart and made V in the tail or cut the corner of a tail to keep track of two checks or two blacks when running out of colors or white flights to keep seperate.
Some birds have a good day and others have a bad day so you should fly them again in a month the same way just five at a time and you'll see the ones working. They will roll a whole lot more if with other birds rolling as aposed to flying some good rollers with some straight flyers.
the second best advice I would give to someone else is keep good records so you can know just what pair that awsome bird came out of so you can make more and eventually get a half sister and half brother pair going. This came from Chan Grover who always can make some champ rollers.
Bill C
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 4:33 PM
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PR_rollers
552 posts
Feb 19, 2008
7:47 PM
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That was some good advise Bill.C..
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Ralph....
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CSRA
1445 posts
Mar 04, 2008
11:52 PM
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the best advice i have received was do not wear my priide on my shoulders and if they are tlking about you u are doing it right lol both are very good and wise
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JM420LOFT
48 posts
Mar 05, 2008
7:05 PM
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Best advice to LISTEN....
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gotspin7
2303 posts
Mar 12, 2009
5:41 PM
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I think this is a good one to bring back to the top!
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Sal Ortiz
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2688 posts
Mar 12, 2009
7:35 PM
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Yeah Sal this is definitely a good one..for all and newbies alike..----------
Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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Pumpkin Man
64 posts
Mar 13, 2009
6:04 AM
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My grandmother says you have two ears and one month and you should listen twice as much as you talk.
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wishiwon2
164 posts
Mar 13, 2009
6:59 PM
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Be patient, be honest with yourself about your birds. Dont make exceptions, stick with your goal.
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
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toronto15
113 posts
Mar 13, 2009
7:11 PM
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Don,t be afraid to ask questions,and Your heart is free have the courage to follow it.Glen.
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Mongrel Lofts
588 posts
Mar 20, 2009
3:17 AM
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Here is a bit of advise I always try to share. You will breed your best birds. You won't buy them or be given them. This holds true every time if your in this breed for the long hall! So get some good stock and start breeding or you will never get to your best. KGB
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tucknroll
47 posts
Mar 20, 2009
7:54 AM
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Look yourself in the mirror than look at your birds if they begin taking on your look than just do the oppostie and everything will take care of itself.
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Scott
1891 posts
Mar 20, 2009
8:04 AM
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What Kenny wrote below is some of the best advise there is and he gave me the same also along time ago.
I'll dwell on it here a second,solid prooven breeders are rare, so no one is selling or giving away their best,it is as simple as that, you HAVE to find and or breed them yourself.
2/3rds of the hobby does nothing but chase pigeons instead of building a solid stud, it is an endless cycle for them and I did plenty of that myself at one time.
My own best breeders today (stock) were born,flown and stocked by myself,and they are better producers than my foundation,one of which I might add started out as a foster for me until I dicovered it's worth.
I might add that once I smartened up and got honest with myself I figured out that I only had a handful of good ones, and once I culled out the rest of the stock loft and honed around those only then did I start moving forward .
As a note if I had to start over I would be looking for a kit of squeeks, that way you have the same chances as the original breeder of finding a couple of good ones to hone around.
(Here is a bit of advise I always try to share. You will breed your best birds. You won't buy them or be given them. This holds true every time if your in this breed for the long hall! So get some good stock and start breeding or you will never get to your best. KGB )
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2009 8:07 AM
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3336 posts
Mar 20, 2009
1:19 PM
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You have to decide to either compete or raise pets and adjust your loft management accordingly.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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3757
1211 posts
Mar 20, 2009
1:39 PM
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1. Velocity/style, Velocity/Style
2. Do what you love to do with your birds? If you do this you will always be happy with your hobby.
3. The heaven to what anyone else thinks. When they pay your mortgage and feed bill then they can have a say in what you do.
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toronto15
121 posts
Mar 20, 2009
2:51 PM
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Keep It Simple, from Dave Swab.
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