DeepSpinLofts
377 posts
Mar 09, 2008
3:55 AM
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#439 is a typical Birmingham Roller Dam with strong Pensom genes.
I call her the blur. Please don't ask me why!
NOTE: Click on photo for larger image.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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DeepSpinLofts
378 posts
Mar 09, 2008
4:01 AM
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I firmly believe "Health is Wealth"!
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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DeepSpinLofts
380 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:08 AM
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Aerial view Deep Spin Lofts Kitbox
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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sundance
517 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:13 AM
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sweet looking hen !!!!!!!!!!
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Butch @
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DeepSpinLofts
381 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:09 AM
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Thanks Butch.
Just wish I had some more high-velocity spinners like her.
Oh well... patience is the name of the game here at Deep Spin Lofts. I don't do open lofts or overcrowd my rollers. Simply trying to breed quality stuff 1 clutch at a time.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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elopez
749 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:13 AM
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Nice Hen Marcus.
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Efren Lopez
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winwardrollers
21 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:37 AM
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Marcus
You posted "Just wish I had more high-velocity spinners like her".
I would be interested how are you going to breed this bird if you want more of this bird?
Brad Winward
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DeepSpinLofts
383 posts
Mar 09, 2008
10:28 AM
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Greetings Brad... it's great to hear from you!
After analyzing my breeding records and charting the graphs on my aerial performance scorecards... I think I have the answer to your question.
I had the hen #439 in the photo above, mated to her full brother #438 Bluecheck Beard Cock a 10ft-25ft stud.
....and
From that pairing there is one bird that really stood out. It's an apple-bodied, tight feathered 10ft-25ft bull-eyed Black Spangle Hen #1964 with spectacular kitting skills and decent control on the roll. I plan to mate 2005 NBRC 1964 Black Spangle Hen Bull Eyes with an offspring from the younger full brother to #438 and #439.
We are referring to #464 Fast Bluecheck Beard Wht/Flight Cock (a 25-footer displaying a nice tennis ball before finishing). #464 was mated to Hen #455 Medium Black/Whiteside Badge 15ft with good form in which only 2 birds were stocked.
1) NBRC F1959 Bluecheck Self Hen -- 30ft Stocked/Deep
2) NBRC F0782 + NBRC 1974 Dark Bronze Check Cock
From this mating (Sire: #464 Bluecheck Cock + Dam: #455 Whiteside Badge Hen) we were fortunately blessed to have NBRC F0782 + NBRC 1974 Dark Bronze Check Cock (looks black) delivered to us here in the Deep Spin Lofts breeding section in their 4th clutch.
NBRC F0782 + NBRC 1974 is a 40ft-60ft screamer that had bumped once.... but never again after that. This indicated to me that this roller had the physical stamina and mental toughness to put on the brakes in the air whenever necessary.
NOTE: Out of 8 birds bred from #464 and #455, NBRC F0782 + NBRC 1974 is the only black bred from them and the only black cock I have stocked so far. Back in 2006 when I noticed that this bird in the nest bowl had a rather dark beak and dark meat.... and both of his parents had rather pinkish beaks.... I instinctively knew to double-band the squeaker and keep a watchful eye on him in the air.
Good golly miss molly! He was a keeper for sure.
I plan to mate the best cock from the pairing of NBRC F0782 + NBRC 1974 to 2005 NBRC 1964 Black Spangle Hen Bull Eyes back to #439 Bluecheck Beard/White Flight Hen 20ft tightspin/velocity. This I hope will help to tighten up my gene-pool of high-velocity spinners. According to Mr. Pensom, the best birds come 1st." in red check and dun, the most regular performers and mixtures of these colors, 2nd." in blue check, the most stable, 3rd." in black, 4th." tortoiseshell, 5th.; dun bred reds, and so on.
{P.S.} Keep in mind that #438, #439 and #464 all have the same Sire and Dam. It may take me forever to get it the way WH Pensom had intended for it to be, but one day I plan to actually get it right!
Talk to you later....
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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winwardrollers
22 posts
Mar 09, 2008
11:30 AM
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Marcus
Sound like you have a breeding plan in place and have keep good notes on the kit birds. What interested me was your nest bowl observation about "dark beak & dark meat" with the parent both having a pink beak, you study your birds pretty good and that is what it takes.
Brad winward
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DeepSpinLofts
384 posts
Mar 09, 2008
12:42 PM
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Hey Brad... check out my mobile Deep Spin Lofts Kitbox/Breeding pen before I painted it. There are 2 sets of dolley wheels like the kind professional movers use to move refrigerators and other heavy stuff bolted up under the cage.... and it also has a wired floor for droppings.
This is my 3rd residence with this particular bird pen and it's built like a vault! That's right, utilized its pigeon housing services at 3 different properties. Now that's what I call maximizing one's investment in the roller business!
For the record; there is room to comfortably house up to 30 flyers inside. Also, when I breed birds (4 pairs), I put 4 nesting boxes on the floor and leave all the V perches overhead for the ultimate in pigeon comfort & aviary relaxation.
Take a lookey lew below.....
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Mount Airy Lofts
549 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:51 PM
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Marcus,
The bird in that photo. Looks to be kind of young. Got any older photos of it.
Thor
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DeepSpinLofts
385 posts
Mar 09, 2008
8:49 PM
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You know what Thor... you are correct. That was #439 before she even went through her 2nd molt. She must of been no older than 4 or 5 months old in that picture.
Hmmm....
If I'm not mistaken, that snap-shot was taken like a little more than a month after I purchased #439 and 16 other young kit birds of the Plona family from Vietnam marine veteran Dan Smith of Napa, California.
She's been bred and filled out a lot since then. The body is tighter, full figured and there appears to be a little more white in the plumage.
Tell you what... I will take new pictures and post them on RPDC when I get the time.
Okay... talk to you later
Marcus
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Scott
198 posts
Mar 09, 2008
9:45 PM
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(I firmly believe "Health is Wealth"!)
Marcus, after seeing these pics I was shocked when Cliff Ball said that you looked kinda "girly" as he put it but you didn't here that from me !!!
you look like a rock to me buddy, good job !
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Just my Opinion
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DeepSpinLofts
386 posts
Mar 10, 2008
3:03 AM
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Good morning Scott.... it's really great to hear from you!
I'm 42 years old and friends call me the Black Jack `la Lane he... he....
I was watching Larry King Live on satellite tv last night and there was an exclusive interview with singer/entertainer Janet Jackson and Larry says to her: "Welcome Janet, so you're 42 now"... and Janet says assertively: "No Larry I'm 41".
NOTE: She looks dammmm good at 41 if I must add.
...well anyway
I try to take proper care of myself with regular physical exercise and dieting like Janet Jackson, Sylvester Stallone, Suzanne Sommers, Wesley Snipes, Sugar Ray Leonard, Howie Mandell, Steven Seagull, Vannah White, Denzell Washington, George Cooney and all of the other folks out there who are 40 and older and still looking fantastic!
Hmm.....
There was a time when I could bench press 425lbs off the rack.... but I'm getting up in years my friend. It's just a shade over 350lbs of Olympic Steel Plates as my max on the bench these days.
As a matter of fact, It's a little after 3:00 a.m. (PST) and I'm headed out the door to 24 Hour Fitness for a light work-out. Yes indeed; "Health is Wealth"! Maybe do a little cardio, quadraceps and some ab work.
Hey Scott, there's a product by MET-Rx I'm currently taking called Protein Plus. It has "46 grams of Exclusive METAMYOSYN Protein Blend." I'm drinking Vanilla flavored and it tastes okay.
Here are the supplement facts listed below for 1 serving size (3 scoops) of MET-Rx Protein Plus Exclusive METAMYOSYN Protein Blend Powder:
Calories.......210
Calories from Fat....10
Total Fat.....1.5 grams = 2% Daily Value
Cholesterol......5 grams = 2% Daily Value
Total Carbohydrate.....3 Grams = 1% Daily Value
Sugars...........2 Grams per serving
Protein.........46 Grams = 92% Daily Value
Calcium...... 825 mg = 83% Daily Value
Phosphorus......620 mg = 62% Daily Value
Magnesium.......40 mg = 10% Daily Value
Sodium.........120 mg = 5% Daily Value
Potassium...... 157 mg = 4% Daily Value
....and
L-Glutamine.....3 Grams
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MEMO: Instead of dirt and poison we have rather chosen to fill our lives with happiness and light, to be true to ourselves, and to hold fast to that which is good.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Scott
208 posts
Mar 10, 2008
6:24 PM
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Good deal Marcus,the amount of work you put into it is obvious , like I said good Job! at 50 my goal is to just not hurt myself LOL
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Just my Opinion
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kopetsa
335 posts
Mar 10, 2008
6:31 PM
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Hey why do you call her Blur..lol..is it because she goes so fast that it looks blurry?
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DeepSpinLofts
387 posts
Mar 10, 2008
7:31 PM
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Now Andrew.... I distinctly stated:
=====> Please don't ask me why!
My advice to you is get a Thesarus and look up the noun description of the word "blur".
....but
Since you ask I will leave you with this memo.
MEMO: I believe that it is better to tell the truth than to lie. I believe that it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe that it is better to know than to be ignorant.
Take care and keep'em flying....
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
396 posts
Mar 12, 2008
3:04 AM
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Hey Efren.... I like your roller WSRC 1999 #915 - Red Check Self. That bird looks quite similar to an '05 Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952 that I have here at Deep Spin Lofts.
{P.S.} Efren... the Dun and Red Bar squeaker in the left hand corner of the photo below are the niece and nephew to my '05 Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952. Nice pair of youngins I must add.
Click on photo for larger image.
Marcus
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Ballrollers
1108 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:20 PM
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Marcus
I think Scott was mistaken when he mentioned my name on this thread. I "think" he was probably talking about one of his other friends who is always sposting comments about gays, roller guys in dresses and tutus, and other girly things. I hate to speculate but the only name that comes to mind is ol what's his name? You know he goes by a few different handles and initials. Nice guy, but it must have been him. Or maybe not. But the two of them seem to have a fixation about this kind of stuff. I can tell you one thing for certain, just for the record, it wasn't me. You know these guys. They'll say just about anything about anybody, or their birds, to try to get a rise out of them.
YITS,
Cliff
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Scott
229 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:37 PM
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Don't get you Tu Tu up in a twist Cliff, it was a "joke"
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Just my Opinion
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DeepSpinLofts
401 posts
Mar 13, 2008
1:34 AM
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Greetings Cliff... I'm glad you took the opportunity to set the record straight. From what I can gather, Scott stated it was merely a joke and for you "not to get your Tu Tu up in a twist."
I seriously try not to get into any confrontational squirmishes with others. Over the years I've discovered that negative confrontations are bad for us mentally (it causes high levels of stress)... and can possibly destroy us physically if we just so happen to offend the wrong folks.
Hmm...
I've met a lot of interesting people along life's road... some good and unfortunately some of them bad. So.... whoever said whatever negative things about me around here has been forgiven by me.... that is if they were said. As a matter of fact, I've totally dismissed them as being basically irrelevant to my master-plan for survival.
MEMO: In the practical use of our intellect, forgetting is as just important as remembering.
Take care Cliff and keep'em flying....
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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ICEMAN710
219 posts
Mar 13, 2008
2:03 AM
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Hey Marcus, you got a picture of '05 Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952? Id like to compare it to Efrens 915 bird.
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DeepSpinLofts
402 posts
Mar 13, 2008
4:24 AM
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Good morning Gary.... it's great to hear from you!
Hey.... I'm going to have to take an up to date picture of my 2005 Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952. This cock has very strong Pensom genes! His mother and father are full brothers & sisters that were bred by Vietnam Marine veteran Dan Smith of Napa, California.
NOTE: The sire to 2005 Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952 was a frequent Bluecheck Self Cock (10ft-20ft range) and frequent. The dam is a Red Check Self Hen 30ft fast, tight and balled up like a chipmunk in hibernation when rolling downward from the kit. She was not as frequent as I would have liked her to be and was the highest flyer of all my kit birds back in the day.
However, she brings a tremendous pool of strong Pensom/Plona genes to the breeding pen that any knowledgeable roller breeder wouldn't mind working worth. She's currently on a Lavender Cock (Norm Reed bloodlines) to enhance frequency. They are throwing me Ash Red Bars with black ticks, Duns, Lavenders, Dun Bars and Red Checks. Waiting on the next round of eggs to hatch to see what new goodies are in store for the kit box.
Oh yeah... there is a few photo's of Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952 around here, but they are just shades and glimpses of him with other birds in the loft. The picture quality is extremely poor and really not worthy of showing.
....also
My scanner is not working too swell right now as we are having computer malfunctions. As soon as I can get my computer networking tools trouble-shooted and straightened out.... then I will post them when time allows me to.
Talk to you later...
Marcus
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Ballrollers
1109 posts
Mar 13, 2008
6:17 AM
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Scott
How could it be joke, when I was not involved in your thread with Marcus? If you were to call Marcus an unflattering name in a thread behind his back, where he was not participating, that is not a joke. I don't think he would appreciate it. Call me anything you want to my face; that's one thing. To make " jokes" behind someone's back, is only funny to you. Folks who can only find humor at the expense of others are the real joke....and they don't even realize it.
Next time you wish to joke with me, joke with me to my face. Maybe you better stick to pigeons 'cause you would starve as a comic, buddy.
But I will share this with you, with my long legs, I bet I would look quite fetching in a tu tu!
YITS,
Cliff
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Santandercol
2157 posts
Mar 13, 2008
6:32 AM
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I read somewhere that the guys who talk about tutus and knock gays alla time are the ones most likely to have the ol limp wrist syndrome.
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Kel.
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Scott
237 posts
Mar 13, 2008
9:48 AM
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Cliff , I am sorry for the remark , Scott
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Just my Opinion
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Steve_uk
384 posts
Mar 13, 2008
10:21 AM
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Why do you call her the blur marcus?
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PLS
36 posts
Mar 13, 2008
10:30 AM
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why does he calles her blur, cause the bird spin so fast it looks like a blur...my guess...
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Steve_uk
386 posts
Mar 13, 2008
11:28 AM
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Maybe he ment blue!
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Ballrollers
1110 posts
Mar 13, 2008
11:38 AM
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Apology accepted, Scott. I enjoy our debates. The evidence that we provide for our respective opinions helps others learn from our experience. Good luck in your fly this spring.
YITS,
Cliff
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DeepSpinLofts
404 posts
Mar 13, 2008
9:12 PM
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No Steve... I meant "BLUR".
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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nicksiders
2617 posts
Mar 13, 2008
9:36 PM
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LMAO Scott.......you had him on the ropes and let him out.
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DeepSpinLofts
405 posts
Mar 13, 2008
10:02 PM
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Hmmm..... interesting
On the ropes and let him out ehhh....
You ever hear of the Ropa-dope?
...or
What about the:
=====> Thrilla in Manilla?
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DeepSpinLofts
428 posts
Mar 24, 2008
3:24 AM
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I'm thinking about mating Plona Bluecheck Hen #439 20ft tightspin to '05 NBRC F1951 "Deep" Plona Blue Grizzle Cock (30ft-50ft and fast). I'm utilizing my "Breed Best to Best" system here.
I had F1951 mated to his half sister last year; referring to '06 NBRC 1597R Red Tortoise Shell Hen. She's a dandy 25-footer with exceptional velocity on the back-spin. This pair produced a few nice spinners for us at Deep Spin Lofts. However, after there was 1 rolldown (a tortoise shell cock) I decided to discontinue this union.
I really have a lot of high hopes for Plona Bluecheck Hen #439 20ft tightspin to '05 NBRC F1951 "Deep" Plona Blue Grizzle Cock. I am prepared for disappointment though. You just never know which pairs will actually click... and which ones that don't. You must try them out in the breeding pen in order to see what the deal really is.
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
469 posts
Mar 28, 2008
4:35 AM
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Efren... the Dun and Red Bar squeaker in the left hand corner of the photo below are the niece and nephew to my '05 Plona Redcheck Cock NBRC F1952.
...and
The Red/White Badge oddside squeaker cock is the nephew to #439. Strong 514 genes crossed into the checque Plonas to create this dynamic line of high velocity spinners for us here at Deep Spin Lofts.
Holla....
Marcus
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ICEMAN710
239 posts
Mar 28, 2008
4:58 AM
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any updated pics of that hen of yours? Looking foward to it
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DeepSpinLofts
513 posts
Apr 03, 2008
4:19 AM
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I need to buy myself a digital camera and learn how to make my photos larger.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1463 posts
Apr 03, 2008
4:23 AM
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Hello Marcus thx for the kind words and to wish me luck..
My wife read it and said u were a Gentleman......
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RUDY PAYEN
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DeepSpinLofts
514 posts
Apr 03, 2008
12:30 PM
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Tell your wife Rudy that I truly appreciate the kind sentiments.
{P.S.} Wishing you and your loved ones much joy, peace and prosperity for many generations to come.
...and
May your cup of blessings runneth over! (smile)
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
520 posts
Apr 05, 2008
1:34 AM
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It's 1:33 a.m. (PST) and I'm headed out back to check on the Plona's.
Marcus
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Electric-man
1402 posts
Apr 05, 2008
1:48 AM
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Good morning Marcus!
It's 3:43 a.m. here! Still at work bored to death! LOL
How's the birds? Snuck home awhile awile ago to check on mine, both foster prs laid yesterday, hoping my Urbans lay soon!
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Val
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DeepSpinLofts
521 posts
Apr 06, 2008
3:40 AM
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Good morning Val....
It's 3:40 a.m. (PST) and I've just organized my recycleables so I can redeem them for cash in a few hours. Gas is nearly $4/gal at the pump in my neck of the woods and I'm trying save every penny possible!
Oh yeah.... my apologies for not replying sooner.... it's just that I've been so, so, so darn busy. Trying to beat the April 15th deadline for tax returns is becoming a nailbiter for us here at Deep Spin Lofts. With 3 pieces of real estate property.... it's imperative that my wife and I try to write off as much DEDUCTIBLES as we can.
Guess what, if I were to acquire 3 more parcels of land I would still recycle. Need money! Just bagged up 3 hefty bags of aluminum cans and plastic bottles. The wife is clipping out coupons so we can save money at the consumer retail outlets. Economists are talking the "R" word and it appears there's going to be a rough road ahead for millions of Americans.
QUESTION: What are ====> "Urbans".
Marcus
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Electric-man
1409 posts
Apr 06, 2008
11:47 AM
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My main family of birds are from Joe Urban! Until I make something out of them, I'm gonna give him the respect for what he has done with them! The way that I'm going, I will always have to call them "Urbans"! LOL
I fly three families, but his are the one producing the goods this year!
Recycling is something that I'm gonna have to look into myself, I guess! I've always gave my cans to a guy at work, but I keep all of the pull tabs!
For every gallon jug of pull tabs you turn in to the cancer society, a child will get $700 off a kemo-therapy session! been doing it for three years now! My wife's twin sister had breast cancer back then and now they organize a huge Relay for Life event every year and its becoming a huge deal, they really bring in the bucks!
Someday, I want to have a portable kit and release my birds every year at the event!
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DeepSpinLofts
524 posts
Apr 06, 2008
1:20 PM
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Good afternoon Val...
I think that's truly a beautiful thing that a child will get $700 off a kemo-therapy session from can tabs folks turn in to the cancer society.
Just beautiful!
Yes indeed, it's important to raise funds, awareness and resources to aid in the prevention and intervention of cancer. Thanks for the information.
You my friend ===> are a good American!
MEMO: Let us respect and care for each other, living our lives to the fullest without intruding on the liberty and well-being of others.
....and
When the end comes... we will leave crying aloud in a glorious song that we have lived well and treated others with kindness.
Marcus
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DeepSpinLofts
568 posts
Apr 10, 2008
10:05 PM
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Hey Efren...
Where's that photo of your WSRC 1999 #915 - Red Check Self?
I've been looking for it buddy.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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DeepSpinLofts
577 posts
Apr 12, 2008
3:44 AM
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Good morning folks...
It's 3:42 a.m. (PST) and I'm headed out back to the barn to check on the thoroughbreds. I'll click on the lights... rattle them a bit... and do what I basically call pairing.
What is pairing?
What I do is take a hen from the stock pen and a cock from the other stock pen and put them in a 2x4x2 exhibition pen. Then I will closely observe their compatibility (behavior) after having already taken key mental notes of what they've both done in the air.
NOTE: When you work from home (such as I do) then you can mess around with the birds just about anytime you like. Plus... I have no set schedule with my family of rolling pigeons. My birds are highly intelligent animals and fully understand it's simply the WILD WEST here at "Deep Spin Lofts" in Northern California.
Marcus
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Scott
348 posts
Apr 12, 2008
6:04 AM
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Marcus, you may want to consider getting more sleep !
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DeepSpinLofts
578 posts
Apr 12, 2008
7:04 AM
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I think you are right Scott. No matter how hard I try I could never be WH Pensom. This roller game runs a thin line between insanity and genius.
Whenever I clean pigeon poop I always catch myself saying:
===> I hate this $%&*!
....but
After I see the young squabs in the nest feathering out... and observing the aerial acrobats perform on the wing after their 2nd moult... it becomes worth it!
Talk to you later....
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Scott
349 posts
Apr 12, 2008
7:45 AM
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Marcus, like I said before , it isn't rocket science , but yet it is a complicated breed no doubt.
Here is a little something to chew on that once I figured out opened new doors as far as my insight into "my" birds.
There is a little thing called "Roll impulse" the stronger the bird is mentally and physicaly the more roll impulse it takes to get the bird to roll,such birds can handle the hard roll well and can work thier tail off when at a safe ht. and yet be stable as can be,kit like glue no matter what,and be able to shut down the roll when need be , this is the kind of bird that I strive for.
Take half of the roll impulse of that the bird that I described above and apply it to a mentaly and or physicaly weak bird and you have non kitters,roll downs,early landers ect. ,depending of course of the extent of the weakness vrs how much roll impulse.
Just because a bird rolls down doesn't mean that it has too much roll, it just can't handle what it has.
On the same hand a stiff just doesn't have enough roll impulse to over come it's mental stength.
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DeepSpinLofts
579 posts
Apr 12, 2008
10:06 AM
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Right on Scott! Thanks for the vernacular insight on how to get a positive handle on things. I wholeheartedly respect your wisdom in these matters.
On that note, I strongly feel that proper care and paying close attention to those particular things that you have mentioned can make or break a flyer. I'll try and focus on the mentally and physically strong birds.... no matter what!
MEMO: A conversation across the table from a wise man is better than years of study of only books.... for its true that wisdom is acquired by an inquiring mind.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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