Ty Coleman
29 posts
Mar 09, 2008
12:37 PM
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http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj307/ty_c_79/pigeon017-1.jpg
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Ty Coleman
30 posts
Mar 09, 2008
12:42 PM
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SpinCityRollers
140 posts
Mar 09, 2008
1:26 PM
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that is either a opal bar or reduced sometimes you cant tell but who cares about color how is the roll if it spins great you got yourself a gem there
yours truly spincity
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 1:27 PM
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Scott
172 posts
Mar 09, 2008
1:34 PM
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Ty, the one in front isn't a Birmingham Roller ?
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Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 4:25 PM
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Scott
174 posts
Mar 09, 2008
1:41 PM
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No robbo, not a Dun, it is a what they call a "rare" color bird , it is a cross breed.
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Scott
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c robbo
216 posts
Mar 09, 2008
1:41 PM
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you get that color in yansens mulimins.
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Steve_uk
380 posts
Mar 09, 2008
1:55 PM
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Thats a hen! crikey you guys need to breed the other way.
Steve...
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Ty Coleman
31 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:29 PM
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Yes its a hen she's a solid 15 to 20 and kits great and color does matter to me not as much as performance but very close.On a rainy day i like to watch my birds in the loft and if i had 100 black white flighted birds i could see one and go back inside.
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Ty Coleman
32 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:30 PM
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Scott she is a mutt bird but what is your oppinion based on ?
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Ballrollers
1080 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:37 PM
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Ty
The hobby has been blessed to have some excellent spinning color birds as the result of decades of hard work by phenomenal roller men who were absolutley committed to performance, like James Turner. There have even been some national fly winners and international fly winners, whose families include such color birds.
The NBRC fly and the WC fly are not concerned with colors , only performance. There is nothing written in any fly rules pertaining to what colors can participate in the fly's.
Opinions vary from men who are opposed to rare colored rollers to those who care less as long as they perform to standard. It has been said that some of those who voice their negative feelings about rare colored rollers have masculinity issues. (I am not sure if that is true or not.LOL!)
Enjoy your rollers, enjoy what ever color you like. If they perform to the standard , fly your birds proudly.
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 5:43 PM
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Electric-man
1255 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:42 PM
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Lmao, masculinity issues! This is gonna be fun! Strap your seatbelts on guys! Lmao
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Scott
181 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:43 PM
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Cliff, I have yet to see a good color bird that could hold it together, and that included there,I know I know many have them buried in the background, the key word is "buried".
If James Turner was commited to perforance he wouldn't have been cross breeding "period".
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Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:09 PM
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Ty Coleman
33 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:47 PM
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Scott come to Ga ill show you a few.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:00 PM
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Scott
182 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:48 PM
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Ty, another breed was used to bring in the color, that is based on fact, sorry bud, been there myself
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Ty Coleman
34 posts
Mar 09, 2008
5:52 PM
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Its my understanding that Mr. James Turner introduced color in the birminghams by using rollers with unusual genes of color ive got a great article writen by Cliff Ball if you want to read it ill email it to you.I Think that you could learn alot from it.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 5:59 PM
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Scott
184 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:06 PM
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Ty, just enjoy your birds !
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Scott
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Ty Coleman
35 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:08 PM
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No prob and thanks for the coments but i didnt subscribe to that issue Ty
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Missouri-Flyer
1453 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:10 PM
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Scott,
I liked your other post before you deleted it..LOL
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:10 PM
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Ty Coleman
36 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:11 PM
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i must have missed it
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glenn
101 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:11 PM
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Hello:
If James Turner is alive, whay not ask him how he did it. There is also a video floating around of him talking about the crosses that were made. Remember to breed for speed, style, a little bit of depth and don't worry about the color. You have opened of a can of worms that has been opened up & closed many times. Go the the source if he is still alive and get the truth. Remember the Truth will set you free.
Glenn
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Ballrollers
1081 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:17 PM
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Scott,
Geesh! Did you fall and bump your head or something?! Joe Houghton picked Jay Yandle's "color birds" at the convention as some of the best he has ever seen. Two hundred roller men from accross the nation who attended the NBRC Convention in September said these birds were the BEST EVER SEEN AT A CONVENTION. We have three National titles and a World Cup title in this state from guys flying these birds. My own holdover kit of '04, '05, and '06 birds placed third in the nation and 13th in the World. Hehehehehe, that record speaks volumes compared to your constant sniveling about this issue. Let's compare scores over the past year or so my friend. Then we'll see whose birds are not holding up! LOL! Apparrently everybody else in the hobby, except for you, Scott, and a couple of your groupies, is well-aware that this famiy of rollers is holding up just fine. As for fixing them...this hobby is a work in progress....as in EVERY OTHER roller loft that I know....the search for the perfect roller goes on. It's no different with this family. I feel for ya, buddy. The real truth starin' you in the face and you can't accept it....
Cliff
PS This response was to an inflammatory post of Scott's about my family of birds, that he has since edited.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:32 PM
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glenn
102 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:18 PM
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Find yourself a color breeder to ask that question...qwqwqwqwqwwqwqwqw ttttetetetete gdgdgdgdg ndhhddhhd udsududd dududud d uududud dud sk sncxndbecccccncncncc.
Glenn
P.S. THe stuff you cant read is what I think of color breeders & there birds...My thoughts only......
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Ty Coleman
38 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:19 PM
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I have talked to Mr. Turner and will ad he's a great guy. as far as outcrossing with other birds not birminghams they never enterd his main blood yall realy nead to read Cliffs article to gain knowledge of what you speak about.His birds have one many flies in many countries im not trrying to be a smart a## about the article it would benifit all to read.
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Ballrollers
1082 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:19 PM
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Glenn,
I have been to the source...spent hours with him...wrote an article about how he did it that was published a couple years ago in the NBRC Bulletin....the facts are in...some people just can't handle the truth. Send me your e-mail and I'll send you a copy...
YITS,
Cliff
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Missouri-Flyer
1455 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:20 PM
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Cliff,
I hate to get in the middle of your and Scotts fun, But with your last statement, were those birds that were said to be the best he had ever seen, was that from the ground or the air at the convention?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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glenn
103 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:21 PM
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The Bull SHIT Contiunes.....And it's getting deep. To Scott & the Mongrel Breeder (KGB), they will never learn.....Glenn
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:26 PM
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Ballrollers
1083 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:26 PM
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Jerry,
That was after seeing them fly at the convention. I have his exact quote....I'll see if I can find it....it was relative to a particular aspect of performance....something to the effect tht they rolled deep, snapped out and went right back to the kit better than any others...
Cliff
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Missouri-Flyer
1457 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:29 PM
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Thanks cliff,
I am not interested in the quote, as I will take your word for it..Maybe this years convention in Tx., we will get to see some nice birds also.. I know the hommie in Texas, Rudy, has some nice ones!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Scott
185 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:30 PM
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Cliff were we at the same convention ? you have a lot to learn buddy if you believe what you wrote.
I'm not saying it isn't there as the heat and moult I'm sure played in bigtime.
As for Jays birds , I'm going to tell you the same thing that I told Jay, the spin was there but they came out of the roll sloppy, not sure if they were just young or what which could have played in.
Cliff, I wasn't alone here, far from it, again with the heat and moult it is hard to expect more.
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Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:35 PM
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Ty Coleman
39 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:30 PM
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Cliff why dont you just post the article
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:30 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1458 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:33 PM
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Cliff,
Can ya email that article to me
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2008 7:36 AM
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Ballrollers
1084 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:37 PM
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Ty,
It used to be posted I believe. But as the site has evolved, we have moved on...this is old news. I have sent dozens of copies to those requesting it, and am always happy to do so.
YITS,
Cliff
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Ballrollers
1085 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:38 PM
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Happy to, Jerry. You'll have it in a minute...
Cliff
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Scott
187 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:41 PM
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Third in what ?
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Scott
188 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:44 PM
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(Scott,
I liked your other post before you deleted it..LOL
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Jerry)
Jerry, I didn't want to throw Cliff in a complete tizzy LOL
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Ballrollers
1086 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:49 PM
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Ty,
Now see what you've done....gone and thrown me into a complete tizzy with a little help from Scott! LOL! Ya gotta love it! LOL!
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:51 PM
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Ty Coleman
40 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:51 PM
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Cliff didnt know you went into tizzy's lol
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Scott
189 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:53 PM
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Ty, in a sick kind of way we like throwing each other into tizzies LOL
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Ty Coleman
41 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:55 PM
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So this is all love?lmao
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Ballrollers
1087 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:56 PM
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Now, on that point, we agree, Scott. LOL!
Cliff
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Scott
190 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:56 PM
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On the topic of the last convention, those boys did an OUTSTANDING job, it was one of the best that I have been to.
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Scott
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Hector Coya
16 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:56 PM
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You want to see TIZZY, let me post a picture of a crested roller that will get them going,,LOL
Hector Coya
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:57 PM
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Ty Coleman
42 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:57 PM
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go ahead hector it not deep enough yet lol
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 6:59 PM
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Ty Coleman
43 posts
Mar 09, 2008
6:59 PM
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all though i dont think i could defend a crest lol
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Electric-man
1257 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:02 PM
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Ty, both of these guys are great to have around! They are both very knowledgable, just have some different views! I listen to both of them for different reasons! Even if you favor one more than the other, listen to what both have to say!JMO
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Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 7:12 PM
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bertie
27 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:08 PM
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Can you believe it? Finally got a photo to come up! Sorry I had to use a colored bird especially in this thread but it's the only thing I had right off.
This is a Hoyle bird. From a Ash red tcheck and probably blue dark spread.Most of my birds are Very dark spread or Tchecks.
Bert :)
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 7:38 PM
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Ty Coleman
44 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:12 PM
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Im hear to learn and ill be the first to say im ignorant to a lot of things thats why i read everything i can and i felt that some comments made were wrong. But with that said were still arguing about a roller weather its colored or not its still a roller and i feel that Mr.Turner's birds are great birds and (pure) as anyone elses and as good. but im hear to make friends in the hobby and take all that is said as help.
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2008 7:13 PM
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Ty Coleman
45 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:15 PM
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Bertie i see you finaly got it ,it took me a while also maybee your pic want cause as much @@@@ as mine
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Missouri-Flyer
1461 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:54 PM
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Thanks for the article Cliff,
I got half of it read, and need to take a break..LOL...Thanks to you to Ty for sending it also.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Scott
193 posts
Mar 09, 2008
7:59 PM
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Jerry , let me take a look at it, thanks
motherlodelofts@netzero.com
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