maxspin
262 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:06 AM
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I had to throw in the towel yesterday on the Fall Fly. We had split the regional fly this year with the West of the mountains group flying early (due to BOP), and the East of the mountains group flying later (due to heat). After the West siders have flown I am still in 1st in the 11 bird fly, but I pulled (4) birds out for the breeder loft and locked the rest down.
I just heard the dates for the finals schedule, and we would not be flying until Nov 11. There is no way that anyone on the West side of the mountains will have birds left to fly by Nov 11.
With a schedule like this Region 8B has been excluded from being able to compete in the Fall Fly.
What a crock!
Keith Maxwell
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 9:25 AM
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Santandercol
3092 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:25 AM
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I'd suggest a Summer Fly.Any dates after Sept 15th around here are impossible to fly due to the henery and coopers hawks.They are getting real hungry with this cooler weather arriving.Did you get ahold of any FORs yet,Keith?
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maxspin
263 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:33 AM
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Last time I made the finals in the Fall Fly I lost so many birds that it set me back 2 years to be competitive again. That was for a mid Oct fly date.
November is just ridiculous!!!
I am getting a check out to Sippi today. The Orientals should be ready to ship as soon as he gets his money. It is too late to try to settle any birds this year, so I will have to wait until next year to see how they handle the BOP.
Keith
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Santandercol
3093 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:36 AM
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You're not gonna breed a bunch first?
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Kel.
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maxspin
264 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:41 AM
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I am getting (6) I hop to get (2) pair out of the deal.
I will be flying young birds next year.
Keith
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Ballrollers
1497 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:42 AM
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Keith,
I feel for you bud. This is the same time you guys have always flown, I bel;ieve. I hope that you registered your complaints with your RD. I have been promoting a change in the schedule with the EC, to allow each region to fly whenever it is best for them. There is no single time that suits all regions. But you know how that goes.....resistance to change...I've even had RDs who said, "What hawk problem? We don't have that big a problem with hawks or molt. Why fix something that isn't broken?" Hard to believe.....I hear that so much it makes me want to puke.....
Cliff
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maxspin
265 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:58 AM
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Cliff,
I talked to him yesterday. I told him that I would not be flying in the finals even if my score holds up.
The reason that we are flying a split qualifier is because I dropped out last year when our qualifier went out into October.
I don't know how hard our RD fights about dates, he is not a serious flyer. I can't complain about him, as I just do not have the time commitment to do the job right now.
With all the complaints I hear about BOP in California I would wonder how those guy's have any birds left.
I would think that the whole Fly needs to be pushed up a minimum of a Month.
Good luck to all you (BOP feeders) in the Finals.
Keith
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Dave Szab
193 posts
Sep 23, 2008
8:00 AM
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Cliff,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the NBRC Fly Director (you), that sets the Finals schedule? The finals need to start no later than the first week of October. Us flyers in the north, on both coasts, get hit hard by mid-October, and the weather in November can sometimes be snow. I hear that you are not starting the Finals until after the convention is that right? Is the finals schedule posted anywhere? I can remember the one year, when JoeBob judged the finals, they gave me a finals fly of November 11th. There was a Blizzard 2 days before the fly and more snow 2 days after the fly. It was pure luck that it wasn't snowing on fly day, but it was shitty weather anyway. Everytime I let the birds out from the 3rd week in Oct, to get them ready, they were attacked by hawks. Keep the finals schedule late and you will lose flyers from the north, but maybe you southern flyers don't care. I hope that is not the case.
Dave Szabatura
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2811 posts
Sep 23, 2008
8:17 AM
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Hey maxspin, those NBRC volunteers do an awesome job and thank goodness we have selfless people carry that load for us. Keep it up fellas!
What a shame that the finals schedule does not work for you. I give you credit though for thinking of your birds first! Good man.
As for myself, I have opted to not fly the FF due to the bop. I ask myself why should I invite bop problems in the Fall by having to fly everyday to get my birds ready and risk losing them?
I value my birds and all the time and effort I have invested in them since 1993 - more than I value the cost in lost birds for the opportunity to compete for a wonderful trophy.
Maybe Gregg Sale had it right, at least by changing the name to anything else besides "Fall Fly" we won't be stuck in HAVING to hold it during the Fall. LOL
Good luck to all the competitors!
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Ballrollers
1498 posts
Sep 23, 2008
8:55 AM
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Thanks for the support, Tony!
Dave,
EVERY flyer is important to me as National Fly Director, and I have bent over backwards to see that anyone who wants to compete has the opportunity to do so, no matter where he lives. We have had squabbles among the flyers in several regions over traveling distances and fuel costs, feuds between local clubs, and competition issues in many regions. Several have split as a result. Yes, I volunteered for the National Fly Director position. But I have no power to change anything on my own. If I did, things would be a lot different. The RD's control the majority of the NBRC EC votes and collectively should be able to guide the NBRC. But, you were on the NBRC EC, I am not telling you anything you don't already know. I send out a preliminary schedule and ask all the RDs to let me know if they have any problems with their tentative scheduled date. I usually get a couple of scheduling conflicts, but I have NEVER had an RD request an earlier (or later) time because of BOP issues, that I can recall. I have posted my concerns to the EC and I get no support from a majority of the RD's. Some of them even accuse me of fabricating these complaints when they come directly to me and they have not received them. I represent only one vote. If the RD's would start flexing their "FINANCIAL" support for the Fly, the NBRC EC may wake up. As I always say, you must let your RD know how you feel...and it doesn't hurt to let the President know, as well.
But,I see you your point clearly and I wish that there was more support for a finals fly during another time of the year that was more advantageous to the finals flyers. I hope you, too, are making YOUR RD aware of your concerns. Griping on a computer forum is the least successful way to get action. Problems from my perspective: It is real tricky to start the finals before all the regions are finished flying their regional fly, from a scheduling point of view. I can't sechedule finals until I know who is flying and when in their regionals. To date, I have heard from only SIX regions confirming their participation with a check and registrations. The By-laws say we must finish the finals fly by Dec. 31 of the year the regions flew. Right? That dictates the window that I must schedule the Finals in. If this is still not what the majority of the regions want ... then make suggestions to the NBRC EC to find a better time frame for the finals. I will support the need for positive change.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 8:57 AM
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maxspin
266 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:12 AM
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My intent was not to bash Cliff or my RD. That does not help anything.
My intent is to get the flyers to talk to their RD. We need to work within the system.
So far we know that the schedule as it is does not work for the North West, North East or Missouri.
Is everyone else happy with the Fall Fly schedule It starts 10/24 and ends 12/2. We could call this the Winter Fly!
We can and should discuss it here, but changes need to go through the DC's.
Keith Maxwell
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 9:24 AM
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fhtfire
1532 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:20 AM
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Keith,
I think you got your region messed up in your original post...YOu said Region 9B is excluded from the fly because we fly on the 11th....I dont know about you..but we are fine with that on 9B....and have no problem with it. I am the RD for 9B and i dont know why you would say we are excluded...I think you put down the wrong region..
rock and ROLL
Paul
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maxspin
267 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:27 AM
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Sorry about that Paul. I am in 8B.
You California guys must not have a BOP problem then……..
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elopez
1712 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:32 AM
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Keith,
I wonder how some guys out here keep a kit going. We have already finished flying for our region in the fall fly. A bunch of people out in our area, Los Angeles, have been saying that they get it real bad with the bops, however out of 50 kits the only hawk attacks happened to myself and my club members.
This is one of the reasons I decided to help Spanky with the RD duties, because this time during the year the bop are out in numbers, so we also decided to start early. So at least the LA guys could fly without any issues, but I knew we were going to get hit out here on the east side as we have been for the last 2 months. Lost 9 in my A team trying to get the kit ready for the fall fly. Not sure if I will be flying next year, but more than likely I will support the fly. Wish we could have a fly during the summer…
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elopez
1713 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:42 AM
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Keith if you only know how bad we have it out here in certain parts of California. This year I got 2 months free of any bop's. Aside from this I have been getting hit almost daily. I'll post some pics shortly on a falcon eating on top of a telephone pole and a cooper hanging out on my loft.
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Efren Lopez
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elopez
1715 posts
Sep 23, 2008
10:06 AM
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elopez
1716 posts
Sep 23, 2008
10:07 AM
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turkey buzzard
74 posts
Sep 23, 2008
10:35 AM
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On a side note what was the birds band number the BOP should have it memorized.
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Square
493 posts
Sep 23, 2008
11:30 AM
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Hay Ballroller, good input, and I am sure you are aware of me trying to four a new region,,, my original region 9F has already been split this year,, and I am pusshing to split it agian so that my people have a shot at flying... This is basically because of the things you described in your post,, I have been as proactive as I can in supporting my old region the region I was flying in for the past two years with the W.C and last year with the FF. But after talking to a few people including the R.D, I found that it will be best to fourm our own deal... I must admit I was a little discourged at first, but after relizing that if I didnt do somthing I would just fall off the map,,it was a true wake up call. I really thank Jay for all his time on the phone and helping me with getting this thing on the ball. I also thank those who have given me input on how to tackle this deal,, you know who you are,, also the R.D for 9F for giving me the insperation to not talk about it but to
"Be About it".. TRULY
Square..
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maxspin
269 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:03 PM
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Square,
What would you do about your finals schedule. Even If you control the time of your regional fly…..
The "lucky" winner would still have to fly their team until a week into November.
I can only speak for Western Washington and Western Oregon. We would have no birds to fly.
Keith
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Ballrollers
1499 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:04 PM
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Square,
I didn't realize that it was you, but I applaud your committment to compete. That's what it takes these days...committment. There are many things that can, potentially, deter one from flying in competition.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
1500 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:07 PM
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Keith,
Your RD actually requested 11-15! Is there no discussion among your flyers as to when is the best time to fly your regionals and finals?
Cliff
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Square
495 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:28 PM
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Maxspin,, To be honest I really dont know... Right now I will just be happy to get somthing established...Also I have been groomed to take what I have been given for the past few comp's,,, Never really works out but.. I have always been flying like the step child... LOL all in good fun..Right now im just trying to learn the hand shakes,, so I can get my foot in the Comp Door,, probally bitting off more than I can chew,,, however I have a Big mouth>>>!!!LOL I have a relitively small operation in reguards to those who fly comp around me,,, All I want is a fair shot,, dosent matter when it is just as long as I get a shot at it. And yes I know the 'Fair comes around once a year thats why I am always in attendance..LOL... As far as the fly time being based on the B.o.P thing I am fortunate to live in the true Migatory bird belt and dont really have too much problem's, and have been able to fly under the radar in the FF,, My problem is the timing 3pm in a Lake Town dosent really work well for flying my rollers,, 15mph sustaned winds forces the juge to watch my kit from the other block...I can honestly say It will feel alot better having alittle more control, and from my understanding that will came with the new Region..Ballroller thanx for your support.. and I will be running full trottle,,in reguards to getting this Region thing going,,, after talking to Jay I should know more by the end of the week.. Me and the bro's are ready,, as we have a few good kit handler's.. We only have 8 flyers,, and I really didnt want to put a 100 on 10 with adding iffie people to the roster to paint some great picture,,, what we have is what we have no more. and I hope the dedication of a few out weighs the inconsistancy of many,,I know the F.F is rapidly approching,, and I am looking foward to rubbing elbow's with the top guy's...Truly
Square....
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Dave Szab
194 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:32 PM
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Cliff,
For the 4 years that I was a NBRC RD, I don't recall a Fly Director ever asking us to approve the Finals Schedule. They always made it up themselves, and they might show it to us, but we never had a vote on it. If it's done differently now, it is something that was done since you have taken it over, I haven't been a RD since you have been fly director. I don't know of any NBRC by-law that says that the EC sets the Finals Fly schedule. Is this something new? I'll tell you what, I am flying in the Fall Fly this year, and if I'm lucky enough to qualify, I will not fly the finals if you have our region scheduled for November. My birds are too precious to me to lose to the hawks like that. Also, if this were to happen every year then this will be my last Fall Fly.
Dave
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Ballrollers
1501 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:33 PM
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Don't hesitate to let me know if I can help you in any way, Square.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
1502 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:37 PM
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Yes, Dave,I have always presented a preliminary schedule, asked for feedback from the RD, made adjustments, and issued the final schedule that was best for the good of all concerned. The National Fly Director probably has the flexibility to modify the schedule by a few weeks, but that wouldn't help most regions. The system needs major modification in order to fly all the regions during their best times. That would require EC approval. Your region flys 10-27, if you are flying in 1B this year. If you decide not to fly, the next guy in line will appreciate the opportunity to take your place. Remember that Bruce Jackson got into the finals because Jim Sherwood qualified in the region, chose not to fly in the finals, and gave Bruce a shot at it. He ended up winning the title that year!
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 12:41 PM
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BA Rollers
62 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:40 PM
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I believe it is just a matter of time before the Fall Fly becomes an "annual" fly with different fly criteria such as being able to qualify at any time up to a point such as June at which point the finals would begin before the molt sets in. There is no point backing the fly days off into August when the birds are molting so bad it is embarrassing and a waste of time. Doing so would only promote young bird kits. Times are changing people.
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Square
496 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:42 PM
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Thanx Cliff, I dont know if you have a say in any thing ,, ,but if so it should be comming down the pipe soon,,, Other than that Im just thankfull for the support.. Also I expressed this to Jay,, I have done everything as far a trying to create a less radical approch to flying. this was but not limited to, flying with the closest region, Talking with the R.Ds.. Expressing my intrest to those around me, and supporting those around me...so I just want those to know Im not doing this because I want to. I am doing this because we have to in order to be a part of this Comp thing.. I am a ferm believer in efficenty and I Know what would be the most Efficent way,, However the moest efficent isnt always the most effective,,, Truly
Square
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Ballrollers
1503 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:02 PM
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Guys,
I also want to take the time to acknowledge Region 9C's Regional Director, Spanky (Hugo Cuevas), who in his first year as RD, has set a record, I believe, for the highest number of kits flown in one region-50 kits! At a time when the sport is taking negative hits from many directions, Spanky has found a way to motivate his region's flyers to take part in our national championship. Congratulations Spanky. Keep up the good work and good luck with your fly!
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 7:02 PM
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PR_rollers
1643 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:09 PM
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Spanky ,congrats get down Bro..
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Ralph
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gabe454
1256 posts
Sep 23, 2008
8:51 PM
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I think this fall fly should be moved to the summer time were people will be given the chance to compete and fly the birds without getting hit it souldnt be called a the fall fly any more if it changes..JMO!
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fhtfire
1535 posts
Sep 24, 2008
7:56 AM
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In the Sac area the BOP is pretty bad. Depending on where you live in the City. I have noticed that most chose to lock birds down during the migration. I have noticed LESS BOP this year. I am thinking that locking down and more people doing it ...is starving them out.
As far as BOP close to me...Chuck Roe is 8 miles away and gets tore up. I have not had an attack in months....but during the winter I will lose 3-5 birds from passing coopers....It just seems that rotating fly times and taking breaks as helped some of the Sac guys.
But everyone has the problem.....if you have it bad...lock down and have your buddies lock down....and they will move on....you will still get hits..but it is more like a normal hit..not posting at your place every day for a free meal.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
1504 posts
Sep 24, 2008
8:03 AM
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Dave,
In those 4 years your were an NBRC RD, do you ever remember a NBRC national fly director that held that position for more than one fly? I have had the unique opportunity to see the problems as they occur and work with the NBRC EC for three years now, to try to improve and streamline the system. I am very impressed with your unselfish attitude to allow a fellow flyer in your region to fly in your place, should you win, if the BOP are bad in your area. That is the spirit. As far as trying to ensure all flyers are scheduled to fly at a time when the BOP are less common, may I suggest the men who support the fly, work with their NBRC RD to move the finals fly to another season, where the BOP are less numerous. There is no way to set up a finals fly, in the last few months of the year, that is best for everybody. If the odds are stacked against us, then the Flyers need to call for a change and vote to see if a majority of the flyers approve a change.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 24, 2008 8:29 AM
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kcfirl
490 posts
Sep 24, 2008
8:58 AM
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Paul Fullerton,
I suggest we move the Fall Fly finals up one month. We should finish it by thanksgiving. I believe we could start it Oct 1 and be done by thanksgiving.
Cliff - that is my recomendation thorugh my RD.
I am at a loss as to why this hasn't already happened. the Dec 31st date and the current finals schedule is a legacy from less hawk filled sky days.
Let's move it up a month next year and see how it goes.
Regards,
Ken Firl
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gabe454
1257 posts
Sep 24, 2008
9:33 AM
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I agree with you paul lock down is best thing you can do!
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gabe454
1258 posts
Sep 24, 2008
9:40 AM
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congrats spanky
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maxspin
279 posts
Sep 24, 2008
9:58 AM
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Paul,
My point is that if you are "lucky" enough to win your region you are rewarded with losing your birds prepping for the final.
Is this what the flyers in your region want?
I would bet that Check Roe wouldn't have birds to fly by November.
Make a point of discussing it with the flyers in your region.
Thanks
Keith
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Square
499 posts
Sep 24, 2008
10:58 AM
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OK I rember a post about changing the name of the F.F... I in my personal opion is that, it would be more benifital to fly in the summer months... my thinking is this,, Id rather have my kit exausted form heat than becoming a meal... I can do other things to keep my kit fit in the summer months,, and there is always the possibility to fly a few kits before the heat of the day... Systems/programs, have to sometime change with the times... 15years ago you could fly all year around as there wasn't the B>O>P problem we have now..The ecosystem is outta wack.. its not the same as it was when this sport was established.. We as a sport have to pace areselves accordingly to the times.. If not then in my opion this sport will suffer,,, I know of only a few that compete with birds that are five years+,, and thease kits dont have a full five years under the wing... Probally half that.. Thease folkes are just savy at flying under the radar...In order for most to compete they have to breed for birds that come in to the roll fast,,, now whats gonna happen when 'God willing the ecosystem balences out???? Ill tell you what I think we will have alot of strains that have no longjevity... My opion only...Would it be more benifital to compete in the summer?,,, I think so.. we dont even have a national fly in the summer months from my under standing... Should we change the name of the F.F? yes if it's a fly that isnt in the fall.. Should we do away with the fall fly?? No as there are many that can fly this Comp... I think there has to be a medin... Maby create a fly in the summer monthes to provide a oppurtunity to those less fortunate to fly in the Fall... maby combine the two ,,, the options are limitless... we as a sport need to look at the big picture,,, popularty of the sport,, Global warming... planted >BOP's in our city's, loss of natural habbitat for thease preditors, and window of oppurtunity for those flying kits in comp... Just my personal opions,,,, TRULY
Square..
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Ballrollers
1507 posts
Sep 24, 2008
1:23 PM
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Ken,
I got your voice-mail. I applaud your committment to compete with your birds and leave the politics behind. Your recommendation needs to be submitted by your RD to the NBRC EC. Have you considered what to do about birds deep into the molt? I think, that the fall months are the worst possible time to fly rollers, we are battling the BOP and the natural molting process. Several guys in my region, including myself, have comp kit birds sidelined with heavy molt. What other season has less BOP and the birds are at their best plumage? What ever that is, THAT IS WHEN WE SHOULD FLY BOTH REGIONAL AND FINALS IMHO.
Cliff
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kcfirl
491 posts
Sep 24, 2008
1:55 PM
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hi cliff,
thanks - I just submitted it to my RD via this forum and thus it guarantees you see it as well since he seems to have little direct communication with the committee.
I would much rather fly my birds through the moult and pull the ones that can't hang than fly through the Preds and lose my best birds forever.
I believe every region in Cali would support me in this. And that is a lot of flyers.
Paul - please talk to the other Cali RD's and get together on this.
Thanks,
Ken Firl
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fhtfire
1536 posts
Sep 24, 2008
5:05 PM
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I tell you what...I would not support flying earlier...just for the fact that the birds are in the middle of the moult. I know that my birds SUCK during the moult...birds coming down early....crashing.....I started to train my bird to get them in better shape for our first club fly and lost one bird to a broken wing...because it being in the moult bumped....and numerous other hurt...that is why I did not prep my birds at all....I kept them locked up pouring the rich feed to them.
During the moult...we know that is the time to pour the rich feed to them to get them through it and keep the feather quality nice....feeding them down for a comp with hurt you in the long run during the middle of the moult...plus having the birds fed up you risk overflys...and the heat.
I will take a vote amoungst our members at the BBQ by ballot.....and if the majority that fly want it earlier then that is what we will do....and I will bring it up to the EC.
We do not fly in December for the finals...it Is Early to Mid november....but the finals schedule is out of my hands and I know that Cliff has to take in consideration all the other regions.
I am in contact with the EC on a daily basis...i was not in contact before because they did not have my email registered..they still had Chuck Roe....
So...I will bring it up at the BBQ on the 4th and take a vote to petition for an earlier finals time....to be honest...it is a double edged sword.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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kcfirl
492 posts
Sep 24, 2008
5:10 PM
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Paul,
I'm talking about the finals timing, not the qualifier.
I would prefer to fly the finals earlier than mid - november and if you ask those that have qualified the last few years, you will find the answer is the same with the exception of Scott.
thanks,
Ken
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fhtfire
1537 posts
Sep 24, 2008
5:11 PM
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Keith,
I totally agree about the BOP..but the last the I had talked to Chuck about the BOP....I really do not think earlier would even make a difference...but that was last year too...so it may be different too...I know that it is different this year than last....I have only been hit a couple times in the last 8 months....and last year it was like pearl harbor.....zeros everywhere...lol....If flying early is what the majority wants then that is what we will have to do. but everyone has to be in agreement...and it has to work out for the NBRC overall......all the regions have to be taken under consideration on changing the schedule......but lets get the ball rolling and see what happens.
I know that you LA guys have it rough with the BOP....I am torn between...stressing my birds during the moult or the hawks...but I know that some are not in the same boat as you guys...but lets put our heads together.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
1538 posts
Sep 24, 2008
5:20 PM
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If we fly closer to our qualifier date..you have little time to build your birds back up again for the finals....to me it is kind of nice to to bulk them back up and then train them again....but again...it is up to the majority....anyway..what time are you suggesting....starting the qualifier earlier...and then the finals earlier....what dates are you thinking...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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TimP
61 posts
Sep 24, 2008
9:15 PM
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Fall has already started 9-22, I know your trying to help regions out by giving them their dates but if we took a vote from the qualifiers a majority would rather have started flying for the finals now,it's Fall Fly which does not mean that all qualifying can't be done before fall. This is something that needs to be addressed during the next voting date. JMO Fall Fly starts when fall starts and the RD makes the schedule, fliers adjust their schedule to his schedule. Some So. Cal. fliers might fly but it won't be their best and they'll lose plenty of birds along the way. Put it to vote!
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TimP
62 posts
Sep 24, 2008
9:28 PM
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By the way Cliff it's not the National Fly it's the Fall Fly and can remain so as long as it starts when fall starts. Response to BA Rollers 62 posts 23-Sept-2008 12:40 PM, if you have 2 kits you fly for the W.C. with ur #1 team as you finish with W.C. flying you pull all their flights and tail feathers, fly your #2 team in club fly's. As soon as the #1 team's feathers are grown in whip them into shape Fall Fly qualify and then Fall Fly. Sorry Cliff I don't even know you but I've read all the posts and it just seems to me that your on going battle to change the Fall Fly's name is pushing towards these later fly dates. JMO
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Ballrollers
1510 posts
Sep 25, 2008
9:51 AM
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Based on the existing By-laws and Fly Policies, there is nothing to prevent a region from flying its regionals ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR.
Cliff
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fhtfire
1541 posts
Sep 25, 2008
11:43 AM
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Cliff,
You are right but I think the issue is the finals schedule. If we backed up the finals schedule 2-3 weeks across the board....that would bring the California flyers To mid to late October.....what is your feeling on that. I thought about what Ken had said...Once he clarified that he was talking about the finals schedule. a month to 3 weeks should be plenty of time to keep your birds dialed in for the finals....Plus in LA the Santa Ana winds kick up in early November to the end of Novemeber...and that makes for shitty flying in 40plus winds....the North winds also kick up in Nor cal in late october....Anyway...I am putting a ballot for our fliers to see if they want to petition and bet all the Cali regions will be on the same page.
I agree..we can fly the qualifier at any time.....we could even do it before the World cup or after too...anyway...at the regional level we can make it work in our favor.
One other question...Why is Eldon judging..I thought that the winner from last year judges....I had missed out on much of the discussion and the EC becuase of me not getting emails...I love Eldon..but it is nice to have a different judge then who judged the world cup finals and I know that they are different animals as far as organizations....but it is nice to change it up....I myself dont like scores in the 2,000 pt arena...lol...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Ballrollers
1512 posts
Sep 25, 2008
11:56 AM
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Tim,
The finals plaques, that I have seen, are imprinted down near the bottom...NBRC Championship Fly or 11 Bird Championship Fly. I like that. The NBRC regions set their own dates for flying their regional flys. I have nothing to do with that. For the sake of money and time, it is deifficult to set up a finals schedule untill all regions have their qualifiers, and I know where the judge has to go. Then, the Bylaws say, the finals must end by Dec. 31. If all regions finished by such and such a date, maybe things could be set up differently. I can't set up a schedule untill I know where the finalists are located. It is just that simple. But I will be more than glad to submit your name to the EC as a candidate for the NBRC National Fly Director, the next time that position comes available, should you be interested. It's a tall order trying to make everyone happy. Your RD should be able to fill you in on all these questions. He sets your regions regional fly dates. He determines the fee you pay. If you can get all the other regions to tell me who their Qualifiers are by Sept 1, then that is when we will start, provided the EC goes along with it. You may run into flyers with birds in the molt and they want to wait longer to fly. And some regions are still very hot,then. But we should consider flying regionals in the spring. Late spring, birds are through the molt and the major hawk migration, has moved north, weather is not too hot or too cold. It is up to the regions.
Cliff
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Ballrollers
1513 posts
Sep 25, 2008
12:01 PM
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Paul,
Good points. I could support that.....all we have to do is get all the RDs to get their regionals flown earlier...that will be the hard part. To be honest, I would like to see the finals moved also. I'd rather see the whole dang fly in the spring/summer, or let every region determine when they want to fly and send the finals judge to them two weeks after their finals have been completed. We would have flys all year long, with the winner announced at the end of each year with the flyers in the nation being able to compete with their best birds when they are in the best condition. Now that would be an awesome competition!!
Eldon is judging because both of last year's winners declined, as well as six other men that I asked. Finding a judge who can take off so much time from family and work is getting to be more and more difficult. The system I am recommending would also alleviate that problem. Judging could be done on weekends, allowing for more guys to take part and see the flys, and allowing more judges to throw their hat in the ring for judging.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 25, 2008 1:25 PM
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