Fire_Baller_916
318 posts
Nov 01, 2008
4:22 PM
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Just wondering what do you guys do with your cull birds? I normally just give it away to people for free when there no use or there either be in the pot for my dad to eat...LOL...
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Chai_Seng
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Oldfart
868 posts
Nov 01, 2008
4:51 PM
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pot, for Dad!
Thom
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3757
993 posts
Nov 01, 2008
5:04 PM
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Chai - This is a great way to enjoy every aspect of your birds. Try it.
I tried this one and it is great. The original recipe was with chicken but I used pigeon instead. It is a great way to enjoy all aspects of the birds. In the air and on the table.
This is another very old dish, invented - or so the story goes - by Julius Caesar. A group of Gauls had been cornered Asterix-fashion by one of Caesar's garrisons. To prove that they had plenty to eat, the Gauls sent out an old cockerel to the enemy, with a message around its neck saying 'Bon appetitf Caesar promptly invited the leaders of the Gaulish tribes to a dinner, in the course of which he served the cockerel (cooked to perfection in wine and rare herbs), promising the Gauls that if they surrendered, he would not only give them the recipe, but personally ensure that they and their descendants ate well and lived in prosperity for ever. Did they believe him? The story doesn't tell... Make this dish the night before serving to let the flavours infuse and intensify.
ingredients
4 pigeons jointed into 12 pieces (
500 ml red wine
1 tbsp olive oil
150 g thick-cut bacon, cubed
12 small shallots, peeled
200 g button mushrooms
1 clove of garlic, crushed, peeled and chopped
3 tbsp flour
300 ml pigeon stock
2 bay leaves
2 sprigs of thyme
sea salt
freshly ground black pepper
a bunch of flat-leaf parsley, chopped
method
1. Trim the pigeon pieces of excess fat. For a really rich flavour, marinate the pigeon pieces in the wine overnight.
The next day, pour off the marinade (keep it to cook with) and dry the pigeon well with kitchen paper to make frying easier.
2. Heat the oven to 180°C/gas 4.
3. Put the olive oil and bacon in a large ovenproof casserole dish and cook over a medium heat for 3 minutes. Add the whole shallots and cook for a further 6 minutes until browned, then add the mushrooms and garlic and cook for another 2 minutes, stirring well. Remove the ingredients from the pan and set to one side.
4. Place the pigeon in the casserole and cook until golden and sealed all over - do this in batches to get a good even colour. Set the browned pigeon to one side.
5. Reduce the heat, add the flour to the pan and allow it to absorb the fat. Don't forget to mix in all the coloured cooking bits on the side of the pan. Slowly stir in the red wine (or reserved marinade) and pigeon stock and bring to the boil.
6. Return the pigeon, vegetables and bacon to the casserole dish, along with the bay leaves, thyme and seasoning. Cover and cook in the oven for 35 minutes. Just before serving, add the chopped parsley.
Last Edited by on Nov 01, 2008 5:05 PM
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George R.
1126 posts
Nov 01, 2008
5:57 PM
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Pigeon pot pie MMMMMMMMMMMMM
My favorite!!!!!!!!
The novice
George
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Fire_Baller_916
319 posts
Nov 01, 2008
6:47 PM
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LOL...That sounds good Laron but I just dont like the taste of pigeons...They just have a wierd taste to them...I'll have some one else try the recipes...LOL...
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Chai_Seng
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TT
Gold Member
109 posts
Nov 01, 2008
6:56 PM
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I dont think i can eat anything i raised LOL
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Tony.
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Santandercol
3319 posts
Nov 01, 2008
6:56 PM
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Mine mostty go into another kitbox away from the good ones and they get flown when I have time.Sometimes my neighbour gets the odd 2 or 3 for dins but more I keep em to lessen the chances of my good ones getting caught by the falcon,fly em first.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
2207 posts
Nov 01, 2008
7:02 PM
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Good old Texas Grill Out................
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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3757
994 posts
Nov 01, 2008
7:52 PM
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Chai - You should try it. If you can eat chicken, the nastiest bird on the farm, you can definitely try a clean grain eater like our pigeons. Awesome stuff!
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kopetsa
2071 posts
Nov 02, 2008
1:20 AM
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you guys are sick!
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Andrew C.
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TT
Gold Member
112 posts
Nov 02, 2008
1:50 AM
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Kop's
I think the olderrrrrrr these guys get the more protein they need to consume,lol,
But ya ill stick to eating chicken and tuna for my portion of protein.
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Tony.
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kopetsa
2072 posts
Nov 02, 2008
2:02 AM
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i stick with my word, that's sick! lol that's disgusting, it's like eating your dog or cat. same thing..............
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Andrew C.
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Indy
44 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:59 AM
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For now I take mine to the local sale barn, a swap meet, or sell them to people who just want some birds to watch fly and as long as they will flip around a few times they are happy. I also sell a few birds to kids or other people who just want show birds.
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JohnL
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Armand
32 posts
Nov 02, 2008
5:49 AM
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growing up as akid my dad raised rabbits and rollers we ate plenty of both.
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Santandercol
3322 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:14 AM
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Don't be such a woos Andrew.Dog tastes good too!!Haven't you ever heard of Kitty Chow Mein??
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Windjammer Loft
459 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:39 AM
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I just yank their heads and throw them in an empty feed sack.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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pacos bill
64 posts
Nov 02, 2008
8:10 AM
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THE BOP SOLVED THIS PROBLEM
PACOS BILL
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brudahpete
55 posts
Nov 02, 2008
8:31 AM
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Home grown pigeons are the cleanest bird out there. If push came to shove, I wouldn't have any problem with putting the culls in the pot! Mind you, rollers are one of the smallest breed out there, German Giants would be a better choice!
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
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brudahpete
56 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:12 AM
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Don't give me that! If you were needing food, you would rather let your culls go than cook them? Boy, I can't beleive that you would rather see your family starve before you'd eat a bird! LOL! You've never seen hard times, have you? Standby for hard times....
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 9:14 AM
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RXR Loft
314 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:35 AM
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one of my buddy's told me he has eaten sweet & sour Commie before... with extra ginger & pineapple
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RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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fresnobirdman
198 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:36 AM
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i would of ate mines.
rollers are domestic pigeons.
if you let them go out on there own, they will die of starvation.
if there lucky they will go live with wilds, other than that they will die on the streets.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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3757
997 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:52 AM
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T-town-rollers - That is ridiculous stating true breeders of the Birmingham roller who eat livestock are not true breeders and it is not even logical. Anyone who has lived on the farm, raised livestock for show, and consumption knows exactly what I am talking about. Do you think that the farmer who raises cattle for show never kills one for consumption? Do you think that J.Leroy Smith, one of the greatest roller breeders of all time, and incidentally who raised show chickens did not eat them? Yes he did! Now, if you say J. Leroy Smith was not a true roller breeder then I have nothing more to say!
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brudahpete
58 posts
Nov 02, 2008
12:22 PM
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My dad loved squab and we ate it frequently while I was growing up. Young pigeon is a lot more desirable than dove or quail to me!
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
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Indy
46 posts
Nov 02, 2008
12:40 PM
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I raise and show rabbits as well and have been eating them all of my life. I was raised on a farm and grew up watching my dad butcher rabbits, chickens, cattle, and hogs. We did not make a habbit of butchering our own cattle or hogs and normally took them to the local meat locker to get them done but one time a truck clipped a electric wire and it fell in the hog lot and killed a couple so we had to butcher them ourselves and we had a steer get out on the road and get hit one time and we butchered it.
That is the trouble with people today they forget where their food comes from. I would not have a problem eating pigeon it is just that I have never done it. My brother goes dove hunting from time to time and eats them so I guess it would not be any different.
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JohnL
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Fire_Baller_916
320 posts
Nov 02, 2008
1:45 PM
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I heard that rabbit meat is good and tasty...Any good recipe guys? LOL...
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Chai_Seng
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Oldfart
869 posts
Nov 02, 2008
2:54 PM
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T-Town-Rollers, People drop of dogs and cats to starve, they can no more hunt to survive then a roller can forage for food. Can't eat it, at least be human enough not to starve it to death! Can't cull, find a new hobby!
Enough, Thom
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brudahpete
62 posts
Nov 02, 2008
2:58 PM
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RABBIT CHILI
Skin, clean and cut into pieces:
1 med. sized rabbit
Brown the pieces in large skillet in:
2 tablespoons of olive oil.
With:
1 clove of garlic; pressed
Add:
1 cup of hot water or light chicken broth or vegetable stock
1/2 tsp. salt
1/2 tsp. pepper
1 6oz. can of tomato paste
1 tsp. chili powder
2 cups kidney beans
Cover and simmer gently about 2 hours. Before serving, sprinkle with 2 tablespoons of grated cheese.
Place under broiler until cheese is golden brown.
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brudahpete
63 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:02 PM
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You obviously don't know who I am or care anyway so lighten up dude! I happen to be quite well employed. I can't see why you would get so darn passionate about what anyone does for food! I guess I'll stop my chiding and let it die. I happen to agree with Oldfart on this one.
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 4:05 PM
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brudahpete
65 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:13 PM
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Whatever dude. I'll let you get back to your tinkertoys.
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T-town-rollers
49 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:24 PM
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OK DUDE !! SAY I AM COMMING TO ARIZONA THE FIRST OF DEC.
ANY CHANCE I CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH YOU ??
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Windjammer Loft
461 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:32 PM
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I can't believe what CRY BABIES we have in this site. If you don't have the common sence to dispose of your culls humainly, you'd better get another hobby. Instead of letting them go free..... God put all animals on earth to serve a purpose whatever it may be.... It's called the cycle of life.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 4:35 PM
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Oldfart
872 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:39 PM
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roll 1, thats just as bad! Why would you start a newbie off with birds you would not have yourself? Our job is to promote the hobby and the breed, not to discourage by selling or even giving inferior birds to anyone, much less a newbie. I have no wish to come off as a hard ass, but if people are not prepared to respect our chosen hobby, then simply find another one. This thread is about culling, a neccessery part of our breeding program. I think it is far better to humanly except our inferior birds as food then to discard them as so much trash or to salve our own conscious release them to starve, and yes, selling them for pennies to a pet or feed store amounts to the same thing.
J.M.H.O., Thom
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PR_rollers
1861 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:49 PM
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I can't see how a TRUE PIGEON love could ever eat a pigeon ??
If you have raised it or not. I would rather take them someplace and turn them loose. You guys don't sound like real pigeon men to me !!!
T_TownrRllers
If you let your birds go out in the wild what does that say about you being a pigeon man think about it..they can't survive on there own they depend on us..I rather cull it before I let it go hungry on his own..
When I was a kid my Mom cull a king homer of mine to make a pigeon soup to get us well we were poor all 12 of us big family..couldn't afford going to doctors or eating good food .it was hard time for us..but what laron says about the chicken in supermarket is true .they feed those things chemicals .and everything is full of preservatives.look at the population how many are sick now and obese. anyway I don't want to get into that here...but I would eat a pigeon but just that a roller to me isn't big enough I would rather have a king homer more meat.. but a pigeon soup anytime our birds are clean fed the best grain and vitamins clean water if you cook one for me damn right i eat it..I know I be ten times healthier than if i ate something else in the market..
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Ralph
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Windjammer Loft
463 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:53 PM
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Thom.....I guess us so called HARD ASSES have to stick together on this one....I got your back.....LOL
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Oldfart
874 posts
Nov 02, 2008
5:17 PM
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Paul, Country boys know how to survive! Seriously guys, our birds deserve respect!
I'm off the soap box, enough said.
Thom
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Electric-man
2097 posts
Nov 02, 2008
5:39 PM
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I play it safe! Monster energy drinks and snickers is the only way to go!
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Val
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Oldfart
875 posts
Nov 02, 2008
5:46 PM
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Ralph, Seems like the Bronx must be in southern most part of Ohio! I was raised as poor as any and fed my family with rabbits caught on a snare line checked every morning before school. My brother and I would go to the local viaduct at night with a flashlight and catch commies for the stew pot! :) I guess pigeons and poor makes for brothers no matter where you are.
Just made us stronger, brother.
Thom
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 5:49 PM
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kopetsa
2073 posts
Nov 02, 2008
5:58 PM
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>: lol serious ("dog is good") my good lord.....
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Andrew C.
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 7:09 PM
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Fire_Baller_916
321 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:19 PM
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I guess people got to eat what ever to survive right? Just like man vs wild...That guy is the the ultimate survivor...He'll eat just about anything...He'll be in heaven if he gets to eat pigeon...LOL...
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Chai_Seng
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PR_rollers
1866 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:23 PM
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Just made us stronger, brother.
Thom
Oh yea Thom you got that right.. but wait a minute you ate rabbit I'm jealous now you ate better than me .lol...the first time I ate rabbit meat was when I move here(PR) and my neighbor offer me a rabbit to eat it taste like chicken to me .very good tender meat..my wife didn't like it.. come to think about it I bought my daughter a rabbit and she couldn't see herself eating it the day we were invited to eat..so I understand why Andrew feels like that eating his birds..but what you can do Andrew is give it to someone who does ..I have a friend who I give my culls to eat because they live in the mountains and are poor .so he takes them with gratitude I rather see him eat them than the BOP..now I tell you one thing don't give your birds to anyone to eat just when you finish medicating them..
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Ralph
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ICEMAN710
591 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:26 PM
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To each his own, thats just saying chicken breeders cant eat chickens, or duck breeders cant eat ducks, breeders who enjoy their birds. The roller PIGEON is at one point a squab. I wouldnt eat it for my own preference. Have I? Yes when i was younger my dad used to make a squab stew.
Kop you of all people should have more tolernace of subjects. Many dont disciminate your post of the same yellows and reds. Each topic and everyones comments are deserving. If you have something to say let it be constructive and thoughtful. We know you dont cull your birds, you've stated it on previous posts. thats fine, no one ever stated your a dumbass for not doing so! remember to each his own.
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Gary
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kopetsa
2074 posts
Nov 02, 2008
7:08 PM
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The topic was actually a good question.. I didn't really mean dumb post/topic.. I just think that is gross.. I never really have birds that really need to be culled, because I don't breed that much, and I haven't been into big competing *yet*.. I don't think it is really humane. The only time that possibly may be appropriate is when the bird is a roll down and is continuously hurting itself..
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Andrew C.
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Scott
1232 posts
Nov 02, 2008
7:45 PM
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I bet the breast meat of yellows would taste the best !!!!!
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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PR_rollers
1872 posts
Nov 02, 2008
7:48 PM
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lol oh yea Andrew send me some of those yellows now..you yellow belly you ..lol
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Ralph
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kopetsa
2084 posts
Nov 02, 2008
8:59 PM
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Ok sounds good guys, I can send as much as you'd like at $100/ounce. That's really how valuable they are.. So you give my penny and you get the merchandise.. lol
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Andrew C.
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TheGame
280 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:17 PM
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I think culling(actually killing)a bird because of its performance/characteristics is terrible.
It's like the same thing as saying why don't we get rid of everyone thats handicap because they are different and not perfect or what we are looking for...
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 9:19 PM
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kopetsa
2085 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:57 PM
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i dunno scott.. LMAO Ralph!
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Andrew C.
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kopetsa
2086 posts
Nov 02, 2008
9:57 PM
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Yellow Belly?? lmao
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Andrew C.
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George R.
1127 posts
Nov 02, 2008
10:23 PM
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anyone ever try Pigeon Mole ....
The Novice
George
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Electric-man
2098 posts
Nov 02, 2008
10:32 PM
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No, but it does sound delicious!
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Val
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