gabe454
1476 posts
Jan 22, 2009
2:06 PM
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Hes trying to rip you off!
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GABE 454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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Newbie 08
107 posts
Jan 22, 2009
2:26 PM
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What's reasonable to you Gabe ??
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TT
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334 posts
Jan 22, 2009
3:47 PM
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Im goin to agree with Gabe, $800 for a single is steep,
my materials consisted of 5 sheets of 1/2 ply, 18 2x2, 15 1x2, and the screws, material isnt much, cost me $200, I personally wouldnt pay more the 200 for labor on a double. And it can be done in a days work.
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gabe454
1480 posts
Jan 22, 2009
4:07 PM
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There you go Newbie08 My homeboy TT paid only 200.00 dls with material way to go TT
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GABE 454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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TheGame
543 posts
Jul 03, 2009
4:21 PM
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$800 could get you a nice big loft!
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PR_rollers
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3155 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:08 PM
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I agree Newbie 8 bills and a few more you can get a shed.loft.so hold on ...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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Windjammer Loft
815 posts
Jul 04, 2009
5:08 AM
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Bundee...I know....you just talk LOUD when you get excited....LOL
I do the same thing... And your kitboxes look really good,by the way.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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harrison
963 posts
Jul 04, 2009
12:44 PM
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verry nice indeed.
I am doing some kit boxes inside my loft at the moment so will post some pics when they are done.
WELL DONE mate.
yours in roll harrison uk hull.
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Snake Doctor
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395 posts
Jul 04, 2009
2:34 PM
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Here are some pictures of two boxes I just finished. I needed space to break up my hens and cocks now that the breeding season is over. There are a few young OR's in one picture and my Fantail droppers in the other. They are 4' X4', 6' at front and 7 1/2' at the back. The traps can be removed and a wire front put on or a wire settling cage. They will each have 30, V perches when I am through. My first box, now 4 years old is in the picture, all are built of treated lumber and are on skids so I can move them from time to time. I am planning to stain them some time, I am a "Busy Man!" LOL I know I got my finger in one of the picts. Materials for both ran me $276.00 at LOWES. Labor was on me.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
Last Edited by on Jul 04, 2009 2:36 PM
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TheGame
544 posts
Jul 04, 2009
2:57 PM
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SnakeDoctor what kinda material did you use for the roof?? I was thinking about using this pvc material that looks just like that from homedepot.
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Snake Doctor
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396 posts
Jul 04, 2009
3:49 PM
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Game!
It is called Andura, I think, it is some what insulating and very easy to work with. The green or clear fiberglass roof panels tend to get brittle down here with the heat. The panels were $22.00 apiece.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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Oldfart
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1120 posts
Jul 04, 2009
4:20 PM
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I have the same and it holds up great for us Yankee's! Game S.D. did not mention it so I will, use the rubber ringed roofing nails and don't pound them tight just snug.
S.D., I had forgotten how pretty fantails could be!
"Semper Fi"
Thom
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
397 posts
Jul 04, 2009
4:27 PM
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Hey Thom!
I used the hex head roofing screws with the rubber grommets instead of the nails, I can control the depth a little better with a screw gun, if you smash the washer it will allow water to get in. Good catch!
The Fantails belong to the 'Princethes!" LOL they are hand tame and don't mind a 4 yr old playing with them.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1122 posts
Jul 04, 2009
4:36 PM
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Hey Roy, Screws would be better, I didn't know they made such a thing. Learn something everyday! I had a few fantails when I was a kid. The pictures bring back fond memories. I'll bet grandpaw has fun with the "Princethes"
"Semper Fi"
Thom
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
398 posts
Jul 04, 2009
4:53 PM
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Yes I do Marine, but Grandandy is the name! LOL
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1124 posts
Jul 04, 2009
5:29 PM
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You are a lucky man, my friend! Grandandy it is!
"Semper Fi"
Thom
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TheGame
545 posts
Jul 04, 2009
6:33 PM
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The material I was talking about is called Palruf. Is this the same thing??? If you go to homedepot.com and type palruf into the search you can see what im talking about.
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Snake Doctor
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399 posts
Jul 04, 2009
6:58 PM
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Game,
No, Palruf is PVC, and light can go thru it. The product I used, correctly spelled "Ondura" is a asphalt impregnated fiber product. Google "Ondura" I could not find it on Home Depot, and did not see a similar product there.
What time is it for you there?????
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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TheGame
546 posts
Jul 04, 2009
7:03 PM
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The Palruf comes in a few different colors. They also come in clear and some where you can't see through.
It is 10:00 pm here.
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steve49
19 posts
Jul 05, 2009
6:15 AM
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i was also considering that type of roof, but was concerned it was too slippery for the youngster when landing on it. what has your experience been? it certainly is easier than the roof shingles i just installed on my new kit box.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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TheGame
548 posts
Jul 05, 2009
9:24 AM
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ThinkinG about the way the birds land. They kinda hover and land. They aren't like ducks and gueese were they come sliding in for a land. Plus if your roof pitch isn't too steep I don't think there would be a problem.
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steve49
23 posts
Jul 05, 2009
9:32 AM
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what about when its wet or icy? ;-)
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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TheGame
549 posts
Jul 05, 2009
9:42 AM
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Well I wouldn't be flying in the cold if its cold enough for water to freeze lol. As far as wet goes the water should roll off and not collect there. If it is slippery we can just say the birds are building length strength haha lol
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steve49
25 posts
Jul 05, 2009
9:46 AM
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i think that roof will be good, either way. i always look to build stuff that lasts and is usually overkill. certainly a roof of the type being discussed here would seem a great idea. i've used the homedepot palruf, and its not too strong. i had it on top of a finch aviary, and it cracked and developed holes from branches falling, so i had to actually put 1/2by1/2 wire under it to keep the finches in.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
400 posts
Jul 05, 2009
5:10 PM
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The "Ondura" has texture to it, I have not found it to be slippery when wet, but we don't get ice or snow here is southwest Georgia.
I went to Home Depot and looked at the "Palruf" it is more slick than "Ondura"
"Ondura is very strong
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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TheGame
551 posts
Jul 06, 2009
8:48 AM
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Thank you Snake Doctor for the info.
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
401 posts
Jul 06, 2009
12:46 PM
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These are pictures of a box I built sometime ago from Brian Henderson's plans for a double box. It works great. Well, thought out. I since have installed double 4" PVC 45 degree PVC plumbing fitting traps on each side to get the birds in ASAP. And I finally painted it, wish I had stained it instead. Cost was roughly $200.00 again, labor was mine.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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steve49
35 posts
Jul 07, 2009
2:03 PM
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hey snakedoctor, you mentioned you wish you had stained your kit box instead of painting. i'm ready to paint mine, and was thinking of staining instead, since i used a better ply, not that osb stuff. will stain even give as good a protection from the weather as paint? i heard 'Cabot' stains were very good.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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steve49
36 posts
Jul 07, 2009
2:07 PM
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super nice job. did you 2x3's for the door trim ? looks thick, i first thought it was 1x3
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
403 posts
Jul 07, 2009
3:01 PM
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Steve,
The door trim is ripped 1X4's I used all treated material we have a lot of humidity and rain so weather proof material is a must in my opinion. Cabot's Exterior Stains are good, I have more experience with Olympic.
I used OSB back years ago for some Chicken hoses and it held up fairly well but can not compare to treated plywood.
On the earlier posts of my boxes I used 3/8" RB&B treated Siding. The double box is not siding just exterior 3/8" Plywood.
One other thing I would change on the double box is I would make the 4x4 skids longer, I had the Box blow over in a high wind last year, it is sturdy and was not damaged, doors held and I did not loose any birds!
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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AK-Roller Loft
145 posts
Jul 08, 2009
1:56 AM
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Very cool!
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Ak~
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
406 posts
Jul 08, 2009
7:03 AM
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If y'all are interested Dave is working on a 3 box model in a 10ft long box. The origianal Dave Henderson plans were for the box to be 30 1/2" deep, I made mine 36" deep due to the fact that I used a different perch design and needed 6" from back wall to first perch, 9" from first to second perch and 9" from second to third and 12" to front.
Here is the perch design plan that I think David Curneal drew, I like the way it works, Birds always facing front, no perches to scrape. I'll try to post a picture of my birds using the perch
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"Semper Fi"
SD
Last Edited by on Jul 08, 2009 7:07 AM
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TheGame
569 posts
Jul 11, 2009
8:12 PM
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Snake Doctor nice looking birds!! Quesetion for you about the interior...do you really find it necessary to paint the inside??
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J T
180 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:43 AM
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I used Ondura on my kit box’s 4 years ago, with a day screen
so young birds in training can go up on top.
The problem I am having now is the birds droppings
have had a reaction to the coating on the roofing material
and the color is flaking off.
I went back to black shingles. More work but they don’t flake off.
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
72 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:54 AM
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Snake Doctor I really like those pearches what a great idea lot easyer for cleaning less scrapeing best kit boxes i seen yet rookie from ct
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pana
1 post
Jul 12, 2009
6:46 PM
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Hi snake doctor,
I've always flown from walk in type kit boxes (3'x4'x6'high), without affecting team kitting or breaking. I see that most flyers in US use and promote the smaller closed type kit box, does this suit the fancier for purpose of management or birds requiring a more compacted environment to trigger better performing response... kitting/breaking.
Steve
Melbourne
Australia
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
417 posts
Jul 12, 2009
7:00 PM
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Steve,
I think it is some of both, confining them to a smaller space does seem to enhance their kitting and performance when kicked out to fly. The smaller spaces do save some on the cleaning as well, and are easier to move should you need to.
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"Semper Fi"
SD
Roy
Georgia
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3175 posts
Jul 12, 2009
7:11 PM
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JT I used Ondura too but I put a flat piece of wood on top where I put the cage for the birds so that won't happen ..when done training I just take it off..
by the way guys nice kitboxes...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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