SappAttack
13 posts
Feb 24, 2009
8:03 PM
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Anybody got a pic of a gold check? I Haven't seen a pic here yet, matter of fact, i've never seen one untill a good friend hooked me up with one to breed. Right now I'm Breeding a Gold Check Badge with a Yellow Mottle(Thanks Ray!) I just hatched 2 a week ago, with many more to come. I have never been a color breedr, but I was told theese were great performers. I will definately post a pic soon. Lately I have been roofing a house to make the money to buld a new box. I got the fall fly on my mind! SO, if you got pics of a Gold Check, post em.
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
23 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:07 AM
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No.
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
Last Edited by on Feb 25, 2009 8:49 AM
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gabe454
1552 posts
Feb 25, 2009
2:58 PM
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Gold check????what is that?
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GABE 454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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SappAttack
26 posts
Feb 25, 2009
5:35 PM
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Ok, I never tried to upload a picture on here but hre we go..
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
30 posts
Feb 25, 2009
5:43 PM
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Ok. Heres my Gold Check Badge Cock
And this is the Yellow Mottle Hen that is paired with him.
If i violated a rule on the page, im sorry. Let me know if I did though.
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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birdman
698 posts
Feb 25, 2009
5:55 PM
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Did you get that bird from Nick Siders? LOL
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cr250
205 posts
Feb 25, 2009
6:40 PM
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That looks like a Tortish shell
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SappAttack
31 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:16 PM
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Who is Nick Siders?????
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
32 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:21 PM
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I got alot of Torts.. There is no Blue/Teal Green color on a Tort. Anyone else got any input?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2539 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:22 PM
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lol @ birdman/... did Nick get rid of his bird already..
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Ralph
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Electric-man
2255 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:33 PM
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J.C., nice pics but you should try to edit their size before Tony goes all "Norman Bates" on you! If their bigger than the viewing screen, he gets all "red assed"! I haven't used photobucket in a long time, but back in the day, it was easier for me to size the pic before I downloaded it into photobucket. It should give you the option of what size, and the common is 640 x 480 I believe. Hope this helps!
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Val
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SappAttack
35 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:48 PM
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OK, so resize before i put it on photobucket?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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Colors101
3 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:50 PM
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Although I've seen a lot of birds referenced as "Gold Wings" or "Gold-Checks", I'm not 100% certain what factor is coming into play. Not knowing what the source of the gene is adds more confusion in understanding it.
I can ascertain this much from the pictures provided. The cock bird is a Dilute "something". Only Dilute birds will show a bright pink eye with flash photography, as you can verify by looking at the hen's eyes also. Recessive Yellow is the Dilute of Recessive Red.
In looking at the pictures, and again not knowing any more about the source, I would lean towards the cock being a Silver-Check carrying Recessive Yellow. Perhaps the genes lined up just right to express themselves in what we look at, and call a Gold-Check.
You'll be able to verify whether or not he carries Recessive Yellow by focusing on the squab under the hen's left wing. It is obviously a Dilute, and if turns out to be Recessive Yellow, then you will know for certain the cock does in fact carry Recessive Yellow.
Not much to go on, but it's a start.
Thanks,
Colors
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SappAttack
36 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:58 PM
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OK colors.. Im not a "color breeder" but i was told by a good friend and mentor who gave them to me that they were deep rollers. So tell me this, what color would this particular cock be? If you had to label it, what would you say it was?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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cr250
209 posts
Feb 25, 2009
8:47 PM
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Does the person you got him from know what color he is?Does he breed alot of that color or is that the first one?Never heard of a gold check.As long as they roll.
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
316 posts
Feb 25, 2009
9:19 PM
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I'd say it is more likely an opal. Never heard of a silver check carrying recessive yellow. It isn't genetically possible. Yellow being the dilute of red is dominant over the dilute of blue. Geez guys, you just making it up as you go, Go read Levi, Hollander or Quinn!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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BA Rollers
196 posts
Feb 25, 2009
9:26 PM
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The bird in question is what is referred to as a "golden dun". It isn't GOLD. Gold is "pale recessive red". Pale is a diluting factor, but not to the extent of dilute. Your bird is basically a dilute bronze check. In otherwords it is a blue check expressing bronze and is dilute which makes it a silver check expressing diluted bronze.
Joe, a silver (dilute blue) can carry recessive yellow. The fact it is a dilute makes its recessive red genes "yellow" instead of red. Don't confuse recessive red and ash red. Ash red is dominant to blue where as recessive red isn't dominant to anything except for in the homozygous state at which point you see it.
You might want to brush up on that book...lol.
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
318 posts
Feb 25, 2009
9:33 PM
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Brian,
Red is red. And it is always dominant to blue recessive or not.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
Last Edited by on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 PM
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
319 posts
Feb 25, 2009
9:50 PM
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Brian,
I apologize, I had a brain fart, you are correct. Recessive red is a recessive autosomal gene and thus is epistatic to many other patterns. Don't believe the yellow would show thru on a blue pigeon however as it appears on this bird. Could be a blue check showing bronze or possibly another rare color. I am not that familiar with opal but have seen some similar to this bird.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
Last Edited by on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 PM
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SappAttack
38 posts
Feb 25, 2009
11:09 PM
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WOW! looks like I started a brush up course on color! Never thought it would get this deep! I just hope his offspring roll half as far as this post has gone! Haha! I didn't mean to give any of ya'll a headache!
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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BA Rollers
197 posts
Feb 25, 2009
11:26 PM
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Joe, I'm sure you've seen a bronze check blue before. They are fairly common in some families of rollers. This is a dilute version. The red color on a bronze blue check and the yellow color on this silver check is kite bronze, not recessive red nor ash red.
There could be some opal in the bird but generally opal pushes the tail bar to the tip which doesn't appear to have occured with this bird.
Last Edited by on Feb 25, 2009 11:28 PM
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-mannyfresh- spins
141 posts
Feb 26, 2009
1:12 AM
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wow..what a topic..lol..seems like the color factor is very deep then jus reds,blues,and and their recessive counter parts..
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SappAttack
41 posts
Feb 26, 2009
11:20 AM
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ANyone else wanna give it a shot? What would you call that color?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
354 posts
Feb 26, 2009
11:58 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Well....All I can say is it aint pink. Ive seen a pink pigeon...
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Colors101
5 posts
Feb 26, 2009
2:20 PM
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Call it whatever you want I suppose. Genetically, it has been identified as a Dilute Blue (i.e. Silver-Check), it's the other factors playing into the phenotype that make it unique.
Silver-Check expressing bronzing by means of carrying Recessive Yellow.
Thanks,
Colors
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SappAttack
43 posts
Feb 26, 2009
6:56 PM
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My Mentor tells me its a GOLD CHECK! So Guess what? Thats what Im Gonna Call it! He says it origionated in Cali. So, you Cali folk, tell me what you think. This bird was red for PERFORMANCE not COLOR. Now, what yall think bout my Gold Check Badge?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
44 posts
Feb 26, 2009
7:30 PM
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I'm not the kind of guy to name the people who help me out... If your a TEXAN, or know people who represent the HRC, Get at me...
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
45 posts
Feb 26, 2009
7:31 PM
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jcsapp@dishmail.net
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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KATCHER
93 posts
Feb 26, 2009
8:43 PM
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but loking at the picture it looks like a texas bird to me!!!
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silent187
444 posts
Feb 26, 2009
8:44 PM
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nice
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Colors101
6 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:02 PM
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There are many fine specimens of rollers bred by two distinct individuals in California that I can think of off hand, but I'm not understanding the stiff attitude you're presenting. Were you looking for an answer to "what it is" genetically, or were you looking for someone to engage in a conversation of conflict because it's not a common blue-check?
Please let me so I'll understand where you're coming from the next time you post a picture. And please also understand, topics of color aren't something that's widely accepted on this forum, so you probably need to be a bit more humble that you got any response at all. I come from Texas as well and I give credit where credit is due.
Thanks in advance,
Colors
Last Edited by on Feb 26, 2009 9:04 PM
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SappAttack
49 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:16 PM
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The origionals My Mentor got came from Joe pellettieri in 1991, out of Oakland Cali. My mentor origionally saw them in a magazine called "World Roller Happenings" in 1977. The breeder was Walt Faria. The bird youre looking at IS a Texas bird, three or four generations bred in Texas after the origionals came from Cali..
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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JMUrbon
649 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:22 PM
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Ok Sapp I will tell you my feeling and thoughts on that bird. First of all it would be eliminated from 90% of the lofts that I have ever been to. Thats probably why you have it. It looks more to me like somebodies color project gone bad. I guess I could have humored you like some of the others I am sure have but its just not my style. J.M.Urbon
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A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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SappAttack
51 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:30 PM
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Theese birds were developed by the RC. The CRC Birmingham Roller is a roller pigeon breed that was started by Joe P.and Walt F. from Oakland Ca. Check out www.flyumhighlofts.com
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
52 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:35 PM
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That color came outta Cali...
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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silent187
446 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:37 PM
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who cares long as it rolls damn ppl...
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SappAttack
53 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:41 PM
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Yall are turning a hobby i have come to love into something else... Good thing there are people in Texas who keep things positive and dont try to talk down on things they dont have...
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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silent187
448 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:42 PM
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sapp ppl always gonna talk shit bout colors dont trip on them if it look nice and rolls ok thats all that matters...
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2548 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:45 PM
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Color and non color don't roll what rolls its what is in their heart..
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Ralph
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SappAttack
54 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:55 PM
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187, I feel you mann. And I aint trippin! Haters WILL hate! I got alot of birds, those are the the only colored birds I got, and the are performers! So, ima hang back on any new posts. Fly on Fliers!
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3129 posts
Feb 27, 2009
10:15 AM
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Hey SappAttack, it IS okay to talk about colors on this site, just remember, me, you and everyone else, we should all be trying to be breed rollers that meet the aerial standard. Anytime we make breeder selections for traits that do not contribute to the roll, we are gonna slow our progress in someway. But that is a choice each of us gets to make on our own. We need to stop ridiculing and encourage people to do the best they can with the stock they have.
If you want to build our hobby and earn the respect of men and not the boys in the locker room, do your best to teach and educate those who haven't reached the heights you have.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Scott
1772 posts
Feb 27, 2009
10:32 AM
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I have to agree with Joe on this one, and color has nothing to do with it.
(Ok Sapp I will tell you my feeling and thoughts on that bird. First of all it would be eliminated from 90% of the lofts that I have ever been to. Thats probably why you have it. It looks more to me like somebodies color project gone bad. I guess I could have humored you like some of the others I am sure have but its just not my style. J.M.Urbon)
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2009 10:47 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3130 posts
Feb 27, 2009
11:26 AM
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Hey Scott, what Joe says may very well be correct, however, I think he would get more mileage from our input if he were to be encouraged to breed his rollers toward the aerial standard - regardless of color. If it works, good for him.
If his goal is to breed rollers for performance, eventually, he may learn for himself what works and what doesn't work. Nothing teaches like experience.
Also, I am not saying anyone should BS him, but if we tell a guy that his color bird or birds are not worth much, it is kinda like telling your daughter that the guy she is dating is a loser, the more you criticize him, the more you chase her to his arms. LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Marvin
93 posts
Feb 27, 2009
11:36 AM
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Dont judge a bird by its color judge it on what it does in the breeding pen after you phly it for a couple yrs get to know what the bird can bring to your program. maybe someone can give this guy some non colored birds so he can have some performing wrollers steer him in the right direction
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SappAttack
56 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:19 PM
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Ok, time to get this STRAIGHT! I AM NOT A COLOR BREEDER!! Those are the only two colored birds i got! The only reason Im breeding them is The "Gold Check" is a 30 footer, and the Yellow Mottle is a 25 footer! I got 4 different familys of birds, Agent(Reed), Jaconette, Pensom and Evans. ALL typical Blue Bars, Checks, Light and Dark Torts, Light and Dark Grizzles, Reds, selfs, Duns... I BREED FOR PERFORMANCE FIRST! I thought some of would get a kick out of this particualer cock, and some of you did, and alotta you people took it as I am breeding for color. Check this website wo see where the Gold/Bronze color was started, and the characteristics it came with, www.flyumhighlofts.com ...I WOULD NEVER AND WILL NEVER SACRIFICE PERFORMANCE FOR A COLOR!!
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
57 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:28 PM
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(Ok Sapp I will tell you my feeling and thoughts on that bird. First of all it would be eliminated from 90% of the lofts that I have ever been to. Thats probably why you have it.
???? Thats probably why I have it ????
I dont know abou where youre from, but the Roller Peolple in Texas are FRIENDS before anything else. Not Buisnessmen trying to sell birds. We dont give our culls to each other. We pass around good stuff, hoping to raise the level of ALL of our birds. Sounds like somebodys wronged Joe and Steve early on when they became involved in the hobby, and they have been holding a grudge ever since.
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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harrison
252 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:39 PM
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sapp its Harrison. Why would I have been talking to you on 187 post? Go to it and read it over again. yours in roll Harrison uk
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Scott
1773 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:49 PM
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Sapp , Joe's comment had nothing to do with the color of those birds, his comment evolved strictly around performance and that quality would be quite a stretch for such birds,don't take it wrong, just learn why.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM
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harrison
253 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:52 PM
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I think Tony sells nesting balls for 1 doller a unit. lol yours in roll harrison uk
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SappAttack
58 posts
Feb 27, 2009
2:17 PM
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Scott, its NOT a stretch for that bird to be a 30 footer. This is bird is decendent of the old CRC line. Here is a quote off the CRC website.
"The bodies of the CRC birmingham roller are short and compact without appearing plump.The wings are strong with hard flights. These birds were breed for competition flying, and deep roll as well as their looks.
The club disbanded in the late 80's but the tradition of the breed lives on. Some of the members, such as myself and my wife and others keep the tradition of the CRC birmingham roller living on today in our birds. When a beautiful bird is flying high up in the air and does a dive flipping 50+ feet the colors are amazing, There is nothing better to watch and be proud of.
www.flyumhighlofts.com
These birs are bred to roll. Just check out the website. Im getting tired of this....
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J.C.
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