jnyce
580 posts
Mar 02, 2009
3:20 PM
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how many of you guys have white bars and how do the perform i have a few and they do very well in the air i have been told that these colored birds dont perform but i find that not to be true , i have i saddle back mated to a silver white bar and i get a silver white bar dam near every round and out of lets say 10 i kept for so what are some of you guys opinion on this matter?
jerry t
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XRollers
36 posts
Mar 02, 2009
4:23 PM
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i on the other hand believe that they can perform as well as any other rollers but i dont raise them but my nephew raise white bars and hes got a kit of 20 white bars that roll from 15ft - 30ft...
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jnyce
582 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:15 PM
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I alot of people that i have spoken to wiuld have a hard time believing that
jerry t
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Lipper
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381 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:26 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Where did the white bar come from? I know that some do not approve of indigo but they roll like hell as well?
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Colors101
11 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:47 PM
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Hey Mike,
"White Bar" can be attributed to two common factors, Dominant Opal and Reduced. They both can express a "white bar" while sort of laying on top of any of the 3 basic colors. Also, as you mentioned Indigo often amplifies the POP of the contrast between the wing shield and the actual bar itself. The main indicator between Dom. Opal and Reduced is within the tail. Reduced will get rid of or push the tail bar to the very end of the tail. Dominant Opal will leave the tail bar in its place, but turn it white. Again, Indigo is a very common player when it comes to some of these colored birds, as it will act as an amplifier of the lacing and white within whatever pattern it's on. In some cases, unless you raised the bird, it's almost impossible to correctly identify the bird as Indigo - it's just that sneeky!
Reduced was first discovered in rollers, but I'm not 100% sure where dominant opal was first found, Or introduced into a roller pigeon.
Thanks,
Colors
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Lipper
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383 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:56 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Colors, I had no idea the two were conected? I remember both indigo and andalusion in the 80's, but I am not sure we knew what they were.
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jnyce
583 posts
Mar 02, 2009
6:51 PM
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-I get lost when ever guys talk genetics
jerry t
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Colors101
12 posts
Mar 02, 2009
6:56 PM
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Dominant Opal and Reduced are two separate genes. However, oddly enough they can both be on the same bird. That's again one of those situations where you would have to know what they were bred from and what they were bred for.
It's possible to have a Dominant Opal Reduced Blue-Check for example.
Thanks,
Colors
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Lipper
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386 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:00 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Jerry, Donnie James has a very helpful DVD I am sure he would send you..Ask him..
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Lipper
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387 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:03 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Colors, You are getting way, way beyond me now..LOL
Dominant Opal and Reduced are two separate genes. However, oddly enough they can both be on the same bird. That's again one of those situations where you would have to know what they were bred from and what they were bred for.
It's possible to have a Dominant Opal Reduced Blue-Check for example.
Thanks,
Colors
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donnie james
282 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:14 PM
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hay jerry, i think about that spins depens who you talk to about it i think any color will spin if you the spin gene in the bird ..................donny james
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Colors101
13 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:24 PM
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Mike,
I find it more to your own benefit for even asking the questions. If you're motivated to understand, I'm here to provide you with the information - as best I can. It doesn't mean that you have to have the actual colors, in any breed, to gain the knowledge of what they are and how they work.
If there's a want for knowledge, the person seeking it will certainly find it.
Thanks,
Colors
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PR_rollers
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2588 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:30 PM
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And when he does he would know that Knowledge is Power..
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Ralph
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jnyce
584 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:31 PM
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Hey donnie i agree with you 100%
jerry t
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Lipper
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388 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:34 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
In what way Ralph?
And when he does he would know that Knowledge is Power..
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Ralph
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jnyce
585 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:34 PM
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Yes i have pic will post 2mar after i get off i would do it now but to lazy to get out of the bed lol
jerry t
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PR_rollers
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2589 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:38 PM
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Mike not meaning you just in general knowledge is power in a educational way...---------
Ralph.
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Pige Inn
2 posts
Mar 02, 2009
8:43 PM
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I'm new here so forgive me if I make mistakes. I was given 12 Rollers when I left my racing pigeon club. Among these colored birds were 2 of what you are referring to as white bars. At least I think they are.Here's one, I didn't know what to call the color? How do I post a picture?
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Lipper
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390 posts
Mar 02, 2009
8:51 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I fully agree Ralph...
Mike not meaning you just in general knowledge is power in a educational way...---------
Ralph.
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Lipper
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391 posts
Mar 02, 2009
8:54 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
We all make mistakes...put your picture on photobucket..click the little html button copy and then paste it here...
Pige Inn wrote:
I'm new here so forgive me if I make mistakes. I was given 12 Rollers when I left my racing pigeon club. Among these colored birds were 2 of what you are referring to as white bars. At least I think they are.Here's one, I didn't know what to call the color? How do I post a picture?
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Pige Inn
3 posts
Mar 02, 2009
9:05 PM
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What and where is photobucket? I must be blind.
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Lipper
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392 posts
Mar 02, 2009
9:16 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Google photobucket...set up an account it is free...take pics. of your birds with digital camera...download them onto your computor...then upload them to photobucket..
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Pige Inn
4 posts
Mar 02, 2009
10:20 PM
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Thank you Mike. Dave
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Lipper
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399 posts
Mar 02, 2009
10:33 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Anytime Dave..
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Pige Inn
5 posts
Mar 02, 2009
10:37 PM
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Here I go again.
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Pige Inn
6 posts
Mar 02, 2009
10:38 PM
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Sorry about the size.Dave
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Lipper
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400 posts
Mar 02, 2009
10:42 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Dave, how does that bird do in the air?
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Pige Inn
7 posts
Mar 02, 2009
10:59 PM
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I don't have a clue. I was given 12 rollers from one of the race guys in our club as I was getting out of homers.The birds are all colors of which I don't know the names of. They were kept by a guy who as far as I know was into show birds, but from all accounts I've been told by another person that they are Birmingham Rollers. They are over weight and I've only had them since Dec. so I'll try to breed them and see how the youngsters do.When I get a proper cage to take pictures in I'll post them and their young ones. Dave
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Colors101
16 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:36 AM
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That is a Reduced-Bar. Notice the absence of any sort of tail bar. That's what Reduced does to the bird, as well as lightening up the wing pattern.
Thanks,
Colors
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Hector Coya
434 posts
Mar 03, 2009
8:31 AM
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What color is this?
i bred it out of a white bar and a lace.
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 8:33 AM
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nicksiders
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3290 posts
Mar 03, 2009
8:53 AM
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Lordy.......
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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jnyce
588 posts
Mar 03, 2009
3:21 PM
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THE MOM
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THE OFF SPRING
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jerry t
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Scott
1777 posts
Mar 03, 2009
3:25 PM
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Jerry, what is it that you hope to accomplish with these birds ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Ty Coleman
559 posts
Mar 03, 2009
3:58 PM
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Every bird posted apears to be reduced bar or either check and I might add great answer to Scott's question Andrew !
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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jnyce
589 posts
Mar 03, 2009
4:01 PM
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Hey scott by no mean am i trying to be an ass but what intentions for asking me this question? i thought that everyone was in this hobby for the same reasons again im not being an ass nor am i going to argue back and worth with anyone NOW I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS YOUR INTENTION im just not understanding what your asking . i do not breed for color i breed for performance !! i was just simply asking a question about people and there expirience with white bars that all i asked i look forward to hearing your response sir patiently waiting jerry t
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 4:08 PM
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Scott
1778 posts
Mar 03, 2009
4:14 PM
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Jerry,no we are all aren't in it for the same reasons, enjoy !
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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jnyce
590 posts
Mar 03, 2009
4:25 PM
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Hey scott i guess you have a point with that being said im try to build a kit of birds the consist good depth style and volecity control and good kitting and if in the process i get some good looking birds well thats an added plus lol
jerry
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Scott
1780 posts
Mar 03, 2009
4:43 PM
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Jerry, my best advice would be to study top shelf birds and then compare the differences as those birds won't meet your goals, you will also find that feather color has nothing to do with the beauty of the breed even when on the perch.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 4:44 PM
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jnyce
591 posts
Mar 03, 2009
5:06 PM
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Hey scott how can u make that assumption with no proof behind ur logic ? i explained to you what i was looked for in my birds but it seemed to me that everything i said went over your head you have never seen my bird fly but u assume it would not meet my goals and i qoute study top shelf birds as if i had not before and the color nothing to do with the bird having a perch in my loft
jerry t
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530flyer
139 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:19 PM
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wow nice white bars..i didnt know that white bars can roll also..always thought they were for show..lol
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530flyer
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KATCHER
100 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:25 PM
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those are some cute pigeons!!! not rollers just cute pigeons!!!!
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KATCHER
101 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:29 PM
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and one question jerry t do you think you cud have a whole kit ready of those type of birds ready to compete by next year ??? do they even roll ?? if you do ? lets put them up???
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 7:36 PM
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kopetsa
47 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:48 PM
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"do they even roll??" what kind of question is that. why would he breed them then? where are you coming from katcher????????? Jerry those birds look great! Good luck with them man!
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kopetsa
48 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:49 PM
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And yes all of us are in it for a reason. FOR A HOBBY and something fun to do. Scott you may 'only' be in it for the competitive aspect and nothing else. i'm not totally sure actually
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Santandercol
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3506 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:55 PM
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HNH!Same 'ol,same 'ol.What's that last pic?Giant Hungarian House Pigeon?
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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KATCHER
102 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:55 PM
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from what i have learnd from guys that like pretty pigeons specially those that get up one morning and decide to whant to be difrent i dont whant to be like bill or scott down the street and fly real rollers some whites blacks reds and blues!!! and mix and match all the collrs i just said!!!! no the color breder says i whant to show the world and i what to fight and argue with every on the roller world that i cud and i will fly opals dilutes pastels and pink bars and white bars and pencil and stencil and laces of all colors and all the up and coming aftermarket colors the mad scientis are working on!!! WHY DO MEN WAKE UP AND DO THIS ONE DAY >?????? WHY TRY TO REENVENT THE WHEEL SPECIALLY WITH WITH OUTSIDE BREEDS OF CUTE COLORS ???? HOW DO YOU FEEL!! YOU A COLOR BREEDER TO WAKE UP AND GO TO YOUR KIT BOX AND PICK UP ONE OF YOUR HALF ICE PIGEON AND HALF AND A HALF ROLLER ???? HOW DOSE THAT FEEL ?
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KATCHER
103 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:57 PM
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Giant Hungarian House Pigeon? its a giant white bar ice roller kel!!! lol
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kopetsa
49 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:58 PM
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I don't even understand all that jibber.. lol huh how does what feel.. lol
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KATCHER
104 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:59 PM
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kopesta would you loan jerry t 10 of your big yellows and he cud put up 10 white bars to fly against me ???? do you think they have what it takes ???
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KATCHER
105 posts
Mar 03, 2009
8:02 PM
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and hector thats called a super dupper white bar lace!! they have a picture of one just like it at slobernockes!!
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