kopetsa
51 posts
Mar 03, 2009
8:06 PM
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Don't know never seen his or your birds. and I don't know who you are either.. lol it all depends..
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jnyce
592 posts
Mar 03, 2009
11:58 PM
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I said i would not argue and go back forth so im not, to much childish behavior everybody has an opinion but some people here need to pick up a book and read then form an opinion a stop qouting shit that they hear from other people thats why people stop coming to this site because of some people ans there uneducated opinions maybe tony should have an education standard before he let people join the site it baffles me how behind a keyboard everyone wants to put there birds in the air everyones a master flyer everyone an genetic expert if you are none of these things ur negative post are worthless just like a penny with a hole in it
jerry t.
Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2009 12:24 AM
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TheGame
528 posts
Mar 04, 2009
12:30 AM
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You tell them Jnyce!
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KATCHER
115 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:14 AM
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whats the J for ???? exactlly JUST NYCE!!!! JUST NYCE AND CUTE BIRDS!!!! thats whatt i mean you pastel guys will all ways defend your projects ( your color full experiments!!! good luck with the rolling rainbows!!
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jnyce
593 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:21 AM
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Thanks katcher but why do u keep refering to bright colors and rainbows are you trying to tells us something ? lmao sorry but i had to do it
jerry
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Santandercol
GOLD MEMBER
3507 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:05 AM
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jnyce
you can't tell us that last pic you put up is a Birmingham Roller.Get real.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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jnyce
594 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:40 AM
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Kel i posted the mom would u like to see a pic of the cock as a matter of fact i posted it before i thank the post was one of my foundation pair a kel i do have to admit that young bird looks a lil like a duck in the beak lmao i will post a better pic later today but yes i am telling u thats a birmingham
jerry t
Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2009 6:44 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3145 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:45 AM
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For those jumping up and down about what Jerry wants to do with his birds take a chill pill. Some of you seem to be proud to spout dogma that make you sound like clods. Check yourself and ask why do you think it is any of your business what anyone does in their backyard?
If you want to actually add something of value to this thread, and provide any insight, start with:
* HOW do they roll?
* What about frequency?
* Are they deep?
* Do they have good style? X or H or A or ?
* What's the velocity like?
* How's the feathering?
* Do they have good control?
* Do they kit well?
* Do they perform in concert?
* Are they a strong birds?
* What is the size?
* If bred for performance, does it affect the expression of white bars?
* Etc...
You know, the kind of questions you could be asking and sharing about your loft full of champion rollers. jeesh
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3146 posts
Mar 04, 2009
7:16 AM
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Hey Jerry, to followup your last post with a couple questions, in your estimation, is this bird performing to - or near the aerial standard and how would you rate the bird as to some of the bullet points above?
At this time, would you consider this bird or any of its close relations to be sufficient to circle the wagons and build a strain around due to the high expression of performance traits?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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pat66
300 posts
Mar 04, 2009
7:58 AM
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jnyce,
you go for it!breed best to best, as far as reinventing the wheel, make all the improvements you can, sure am glad I do not have the wheels from the early 1900s on my truck, glad someone stood up and invented the radial,my truck now ROLLS much better!
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Pat
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harrison
310 posts
Mar 04, 2009
8:47 AM
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I have never seen any of the above colors in a UK loft.
I no that you guys in the USA are verry muh into genetics. Are these colos a genetic project gone wrong? Also Are these birds PERFORMERS? or SHOW?
I have never seen any of the above in any oldschool videos or Books WINNERS WITH SPINNERS. Surely if these colors was a STANDARD BIRMINGHAM ROLLER color then they would atleast be ONE in the book?
Yours in roll harrison uk. hull.
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pat66
301 posts
Mar 04, 2009
9:08 AM
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Harrison, Me myself raise pure pensoms,old school birds, but if these guys like to work with genetics good for them, I have seen smokers in all colors and if no one experimented with anything where would we be, say black and white T.V., AWESOME invention BUT someone experimented with COLOR and now how many B&W TVs are around ? Same with rollers, someone just might come up with the ULTIMATE COLOR ROLLER. Now what would happen if say some guy entered competition with a kit of color rollers and blew some old school guy right out of scoring. would they still not be rollers of some sort?
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Pat
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
406 posts
Mar 04, 2009
9:11 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Katcher what line of birds are you flying? Whos birds are you flying? Are you keeping them pure? Not everyone here wants to carry on another mans work, nor do they wish to ride that man's coat tail. I do understand that some are not fully capable of moving forward themselves. Maybe this is the real problem..
Katcher wrote:
from what i have learnd from guys that like pretty pigeons specially those that get up one morning and decide to whant to be difrent i dont whant to be like bill or scott down the street and fly real rollers some whites blacks reds and blues!!! and mix and match all the collrs i just said!!!! no the color breder says i whant to show the world and i what to fight and argue with every on the roller world that i cud and i will fly opals dilutes pastels and pink bars and white bars and pencil and stencil and laces of all colors and all the up and coming aftermarket colors the mad scientis are working on!!! WHY DO MEN WAKE UP AND DO THIS ONE DAY >?????? WHY TRY TO REENVENT THE WHEEL SPECIALLY WITH WITH OUTSIDE BREEDS OF CUTE COLORS ???? HOW DO YOU FEEL!! YOU A COLOR BREEDER TO WAKE UP AND GO TO YOUR KIT BOX AND PICK UP ONE OF YOUR HALF ICE PIGEON AND HALF AND A HALF ROLLER ???? HOW DOSE THAT FEEL ?
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jnyce
595 posts
Mar 04, 2009
9:46 AM
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hey tony the answer your question no at this point and time the birds that i have out of that hen in question are good birds they kit very well they spin the depth is in med range 15 to 20 ft. good feather qaulity and control i have not had one bump yet even when in the molt . now some have the problems im having. is style some rolls are sloppy and some are not no consistantcy and they are not as frequent as i would like and they hardly ever break but it is a work in progress i do not try to breed for silver bars but the cock i have her on is a saddle back and at times at least every other round i get silver bars and i have gottwn some excellent birds off this pair i have gotten a few blue bars that lights up the sky
jerry t
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3148 posts
Mar 04, 2009
10:19 AM
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Hey Harrison, I think the larger more important point to be made is are these birds doing it in the air? I say allow Jerry to invest his time and effort into his stock and let him come to his own conclusions. There is nothing wrong with letting him do his own thing. Wouldn't you agree?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3149 posts
Mar 04, 2009
10:25 AM
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Hey Jerry, I think that is a pretty good evaluation! Interesting about the blues off this pair. Now will you give some thought to putting these blues back on the parents and see what they produce as far as roll or will you focus on breeding for offspring that have the color trait?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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jnyce
597 posts
Mar 04, 2009
11:09 AM
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Tony its funny that you asked that because i was going to put on of the blue bars on the hen after they raise this last round i wanted to mate back to the cock because he is the better of the two but i havent got any hens off of this pair but yes i have one of the blue bar young ready for mom
jerry t
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3292 posts
Mar 04, 2009
11:14 AM
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Lordy
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3152 posts
Mar 04, 2009
11:31 AM
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Jerry, have fun with it and keep us updated as you work with them. Best of luck!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2601 posts
Mar 04, 2009
12:12 PM
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Tony I like your approach let the guy do his thing and see how it goes let him be his own judge .he don't need nobody to judge him unless its a competition. that should be the only time . Pat I like your post make sense..I have notice since reading old post this color thing has been going on since 2004 and instead of pushing these guys away I see more into colors now..so I say let them be they having fun we non color guys are not buying their birds so there is no need to worry ..and as worrying they selling these color birds as pure to new guys hey you can't control that neither just do your own thing and let them do theirs...peace ...
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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KATCHER
126 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:43 PM
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kel thats what i am saying, but to me its more of thinking about it in the long run what are all pastel and rainbow color half and half rollers going to to to the BIRMINHAM ROLLER SPORT OR HOBBY ????? JUST IMAGEN HOW MANY NEWBIES ARE STARTING OFF WITH WHITE BARS AND PINKY AND DILUTES AND PASTELS PENCILS MILKYS OPALS AND GOLDY CHECKS AND PINKY CHECKS ????? JUST IMAGEN 10 TO 20 YEARS FROM NOW WEN WE GO TO A SHOW GUYS WILL BE DONATING THESSE SO CALLED ROLLER ????? THIS WILL AND IS AFECTING THE HOBBY OR SPORT IN A BAD WAY A REAL BAD WAY!!! THE ONLY ONES THATS DONT THINK SO ARE AGAIN ALL THE LITTLE MEN THAT LOVE TO HAVE FRUIT LOOPS AND LUCKY CHARMS INSTEAD OF JUST GOOD OLD CHEERIOES OR JUST THE ORIGINAL KELLOGGS CORN FLAKES!! LOL I KNOW THEIR ARE ALLOT THAT WILL DISSAGRE!! BUT I KNOW ITS ONLY THE MEN THAT ARE IN IT FOR CUTE BIRDS THAT WILL ALWAYS FIGHT THE RAINBOW WARS!!! WHAT I BELIVE IS THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP SHOWING AND PROMOTING thesse types of bird just keep them in your back yard dont get all the newbies started with such fake birds!! then they fall in love with thesse colorfull birds and all the color batels and they become just like you guys fighting about how good their white bars and pencils are!!!
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jnyce
599 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:56 PM
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ONY HERE ARE A FEW OF THE 09 YOUNGS href="http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm100/jwtoles/?action=view¤t=bluebars003.jpg" target="_blank">
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jerry t
Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2009 1:57 PM
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jnyce
600 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:59 PM
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HERE ARE A FEW OF THERE YOUNGS FROM 09 TONY
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jerry t
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spanky
788 posts
Mar 04, 2009
5:27 PM
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THIS IS A WHITE BAR, IT BELONGS TO MY LIL BROTHER I USED THEM FOR FOSTERS.
SPANKY
SGVS
Last Edited by on Mar 04, 2009 5:31 PM
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Ty Coleman
568 posts
Mar 04, 2009
5:48 PM
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Tony, I have two reduced hen's in my stock loft and three cocks that carry reduced. They were all picked for exeptional performance in the air and they all are reproducing there self performance and color wise. When some guy's stick there head in my stock loft they may look at it and think there trash because there is alot of birds of color in it, but if they can't perform to or above the standard they dont breed at my place.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3153 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:31 PM
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Hey Katcher, well I think the best thing to do is to have news guys read this site and get their information from the guys who are actually doing it. I mean look at Ty, he says he has birds that perform to standard, can't beat that now can you? Jerry says his are still a work in progress, these are the kinda statements we might hear from purists like you and me?!
Rather than ridicule and put down that which we don't agree with, let them have their say and time will be the judge. There are enough differing opinions on RPDC over this issue that any newbie will or at least should proceed with caution before buying "fruit loops" roller or "pure" Birmingham Rollers.
I think the posting policy mentions ridicule as being a violation, no? Anyway, enjoy your rollers, life is short, strife makes it shorter still.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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