KATCHER
98 posts
Mar 03, 2009
6:48 PM
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well i been reading allot about 0016 wich from what i have read was a goooooooooooooooooooood producer!! well i have heard that 0012 and 0016 wer brothers ?? and if they wer why are they so difrent in their way of flying ??? and are they a cross of 2 difrent familys either bird ?? and are their any other rollers of their caliber rite now other then their own kids ? and how hard is it to produce another roller like 0016 and is it possible for any one too purchase 2 birds one from one breder and one from another and maybe one day produce a 0016 off of a cross family mating ?
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 7:00 PM
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KATCHER
99 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:16 PM
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and one more thing if 0016 was said to produce a super spiner every time on any hen ??? would that mean his parents wer of the same or better caliber ??? and if they wer then i guess jerry cud have breed hundreds of 0016 ?? rite ??? and if he did wer are the rest of them and who has them ? AND PLEASE ONLY ANSWERS FROM ROLLER MEN THAT KNOW OR ARE FAMILIAR WITH 0016 HIGGINS BIRDS!!!
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 7:18 PM
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Norm_Knox
278 posts
Mar 03, 2009
7:49 PM
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Hey bud! Abel Ibarra has 0003 and 0016. Both of them are brothers and CHAMPIONS. I would call Abel or Jerry for that matter and talk to the source personally. Both are very cool guys and very straight (NO BS). I'm fortunate to have some birds off the parents to both 0016 and 0003. All I know is that they work and are top of the line (to my standards). Unfortunatley 0016 is no longer alive ....
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N/A Loft
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KATCHER
107 posts
Mar 03, 2009
8:22 PM
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norm knox how has the 0016 family workd for you have you won any big flys any big numbers like abel ? because from what is said or told any one with 0016 blood at home is wining all the big flys ???
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 8:23 PM
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Norm_Knox
281 posts
Mar 03, 2009
8:52 PM
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To be honest with you I dont compete in flys!!! I just fly my birds in my back yard and when I get well and establish my family to MY standards we will see. Higgins birds have proven themselves may times over and over again. NOW the birds I have are very good, and definitly not for a beginer. It took me 4 years to get hold of this family and to control them to my standard. I will say it is definitly a family of birds worth working with.
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N/A Loft
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KATCHER
110 posts
Mar 03, 2009
9:01 PM
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if you dont mind who will you be getting the new birds from ? and why would you need more of them if you already have champs in your loff ? and how many families are you flying other then the 0016 family ? and if 0016 are of a champion blood line why have another family ??? i hope you dont get botherd by my questions ???
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Norm_Knox
283 posts
Mar 03, 2009
9:10 PM
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No problem bro!! I have had my original family for 8 years now and they are very good birds. With that said I came across some Higgins birds and liked what I saw so I went on a hunt. LOL Some years ago I heard that Henry Cook had some of that blood so I gave him a call and got a couple of birds from him. I bred the fart out of them and started stocking from the air to establish some breeders. A gentleman by the name of Efren Lopez and I got in contact and he decided that he will send me some young off of that 0016 stuff. That is petty much it.
Norm
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N/A Loft
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Norm_Knox
284 posts
Mar 03, 2009
9:16 PM
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PS.
I wouldnt say I have a loft full of champions because I dont. Champions are VERY hard to produce. But I do have a loft full of good birds. True Champion birds are once in a 1000000000.... If you dont mind me asking what family of birds are u flying??? My advice for any new comer is to start with the best family you can find. Something that is up to Ur standard and liking. And to be honest there are many of them out there (good familys). Holler at Tony, Scott, Jerry, Abel, ..... and get the best you can..
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N/A Loft
Last Edited by on Mar 03, 2009 9:25 PM
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KATCHER
116 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:25 AM
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reed and some smith!! and thanx norm for your reply
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turkey buzzard
90 posts
Mar 04, 2009
5:58 AM
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Norm Knox if you read this, did you have to spend a ton of money to get sons and daughters off of 0016 and 0003. I heard that some of that stuff was going for $1000.00 to $2500.00 a bird.
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spanky
784 posts
Mar 04, 2009
12:39 PM
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SON OF 0016.
SPANKY
SGVS
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spanky
785 posts
Mar 04, 2009
12:47 PM
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GRAND SON OF 0016.
SPANKY
SGVS
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spanky
786 posts
Mar 04, 2009
1:33 PM
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GRAND DAUGHTER OFF 0003.
SPANKY
SGVS
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mr.b.j
158 posts
Mar 04, 2009
2:15 PM
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my homeboy who lives in l.a name Vic has plenty of kidz off 0016 ... with the pedigrees. There r more rollers out there that do what 0016 do... believe that.
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Norm_Knox
285 posts
Mar 04, 2009
5:00 PM
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Turkey-- No ser I sure didnt. Some people are just kind and good enough to help u out....
Spanky-- That is some smoking looking birds. Best of luck ...
Norm
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N/A Loft
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warpspeed
91 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:41 PM
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katcher i purchased 0016 and 0003 in 2004 bred about 24 birds out of him out off my hens that i had raised and flew out, 6 of them. flew ever single bird and everyone was an awesome spinner what i would consider a champion in the air, most of them i flew for over 2 years and some 3. many people got to witness them in the air and most peoples reaction was to take money out of their pockets and demand to buy the birds. now for 2 years or so i have been breeding out of some of them which would be a quarter of that blood and the percentages of good ones worthy of the stock loft are really high as much as 100% no less than 80%. their might be some that wont agree but i welcome any one to take a day and come and visit and see for yourself my kits not just 1 or 2 and make your own call. their is reason why demand is so high and they bring the ticket that they do at least at my loft.
abel
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Norm_Knox
288 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:51 PM
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U tell them Abel. I would have to agree with you 100%. Like my grandfather used to say (may he rest in Peace) "A TRUE CHAMPION WILL ALWAYS PRODUCE A CHAMPION". He raised pigeons for over 60 years and I'm yet to meet someone that has the knowledge of pigeons as he did!!! He never had Birmingham Rollers but he bred Orientals, Highflyers, Racers, and a couple of Diving breeds.
PS.
As the old saying goes: you get what you pay for.
Norm
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N/A Loft
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Hector Coya
443 posts
Mar 04, 2009
6:52 PM
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Able
your going to get crap for posting such high percent,i beleave it,ive been to your house and seen the birds.
The thing is some people think they get one good one each year,its not your fault they have the wrong family of birds..LOL
Hector Coya-SGVS
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Norm_Knox
289 posts
Mar 04, 2009
7:12 PM
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Hector if they dont believe it they can just pay Abel a visit ....
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N/A Loft
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ideaspin
76 posts
Mar 04, 2009
7:32 PM
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Hey Katcher, this is Johnny Smith I'm the guy that originally had 0016 after Jerry Higgins bred him the first year. The mating that made 0016 was a true hit pair. There were several outstanding birds produced from this mating. To name a few there's 0003, 0004, 0016, 0057, 100, 23, 0062, and a whole host of others. In my opinion, and I might be bias, 0016 was the very best since 95% of my loft are out of him or sons of his. 0016 truly was a champion in the air and in the stock loft. Just to name a few guys that have this bird's blood in their loft; Jose Lorenzo, Murillo Hernandez, Abel Ibarra, Robert Parker, Steve Smith, Sal Ortiz, Keith London, Ron Duncan, Johnny Smith, Jerry Higgins and many more. The names mentioned above have had some form of success in winning their Regional, NBRC or World Cup, some more than others but still have bred through the same family of birds. Thanks to Jerry and his generosity many of us pigeon guys have benefited from the family of birds he has developed.
PS- This is the best I've ever seen out of 0016. True champion in the air and as a producer!
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George R.
1406 posts
Mar 04, 2009
8:08 PM
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hey Johnny
Thanks for coming out and helping us out, we realy appreciate you support.
by the way when can I pick that Bird up LOL
I need a Bird like that so I can have some spin at my loft.
Take care
George
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ideaspin
77 posts
Mar 04, 2009
8:35 PM
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Hey George
I had a great time.It was nice seeing a lot of old friends and meeting new ones job well done LVRC.
PS- you can pick him up after the rapture lol.
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juanrollers
267 posts
Mar 04, 2009
9:21 PM
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Hey Johnny, I see 1080 is still looking very nice. Are you flying? I might have to go check you out again.
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elopez
1849 posts
Mar 04, 2009
10:34 PM
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For those of you who have never seen 0016 or 0003. Here are photos of them that I took last year.
I also had the pleasure of seeing their offspring fly at Abel Ibarra's house.
Here is 0016:
Here is 0003:
And here is their father: 3259
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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elopez
1850 posts
Mar 04, 2009
10:41 PM
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Here are some of the offspring that I have collected...:
0016 daughter:
0016 son:
0003 son:
100 daughter (100 is full bro to 0016)
57 (full sister to 0016):
57 son:
3/4 of the sizzle hen (sizzle hen (100 daughter) on her son the sizzle cock)
This one we call is called the Pure hen: off of a 0003 mated to his full sister 57 mated back to his other full sister 61
Have a few more but didn't want to put them all out here... just a few... Enjoy..
Ohh yeah, Johnny thanks for letting me purchase 1080... I'm sure he'll work out just great...
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2009 12:27 AM
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harrison
318 posts
Mar 05, 2009
9:56 AM
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Great looking birds Efren good look with what you do in 09, yours in roll harrison, uk, hull
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harrison
319 posts
Mar 05, 2009
9:57 AM
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also thanks to Spanky, good look. yours in roll, Harrison
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elopez
1851 posts
Mar 05, 2009
9:57 AM
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Thanks Harrison.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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Customkev
50 posts
Mar 05, 2009
10:56 AM
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Nice....very nice looking birds fellas...thank you for shareing...Kev
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harrison
320 posts
Mar 05, 2009
11:18 AM
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3259 looks awsome, I am not in rollers for looks but if they can roll and look good aswell then all the better. There his a local man near me and my god his birds can roll but when you see them on the ground they look like a bunch of wild pigeons, of course due to poor management, What I am getting at is yes we keep them in small kits and keep there feed to a min but at the same time keep them looking good. Just look at 3259. He could win in the show pen. Nice fit,healthy lokking birds efren .
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2618 posts
Mar 05, 2009
11:26 AM
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Efren those are the one's I want.:))
Harrison I don't see #3529 you got me going krazy looking for that one..yeah Efren do make these rollers pump weight.
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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harrison
322 posts
Mar 05, 2009
11:41 AM
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what are you going on about ?3529. lol. harrison
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2620 posts
Mar 05, 2009
11:48 AM
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lmao you slicker lol first you had me going krazy now you got me looking like I'm going nuts..
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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harrison
324 posts
Mar 05, 2009
11:56 AM
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HA HA. harrison
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elopez
1852 posts
Mar 05, 2009
2:34 PM
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Thanks Guys. 3259 belongs to Benny Ford. It was bred by Jerry Higgins. Benny was able to 3/4 him and got some good looking young.
0016 and 0003 were also bred by Jerry Higgins. Abel Ibarra owns them. 0016 died late last year.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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spanky
789 posts
Mar 05, 2009
4:08 PM
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16 SON AND HIS MATE.
SPANKY
SGVS
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spanky
790 posts
Mar 05, 2009
4:10 PM
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0016 SON.
SPANKY
SGVS
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gotspin7
2269 posts
Mar 05, 2009
5:33 PM
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Great looking birds guys.
Ideaspin, good to see you posting again bro.
Turkeybuzzard, glad to see you back to baby boy...hehehe!
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Sal Ortiz
Last Edited by on Mar 05, 2009 6:56 PM
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Customkev
51 posts
Mar 06, 2009
5:46 AM
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I agree with Sal (great looking birds guys)... Keep the pic's coming... I realing enjoy seeing them...Kev
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155
979 posts
Mar 06, 2009
6:47 AM
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what happen to KATCHER now? the guys with the 0016 line they all posted info about there birds WHERE DID YOU GO YOUR THE ONE THAT WANTED INFO??????????????
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Big Block
37 posts
Mar 06, 2009
6:59 AM
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Nice pics guys, and some good info on that line of pigeons. I'm basing my family on the 100 cock and this info reassures me that I'm on the right track
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Wattsup loft
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2628 posts
Mar 06, 2009
7:35 AM
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Jose I think he got overwhelm with all these good looking birds..he went speechless or should I say typeless..lol..
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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Scott
1789 posts
Mar 06, 2009
8:24 AM
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Dang , after reading this thread I need to kill everything on my property, I obviously have the wrong pigeons LOL
many of those are nice looking birds for sure !
This below is interesting to say the least.
(I heard that some of that stuff was going for $1000.00 to $2500.00 a bird.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 06, 2009 8:30 AM
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warpspeed
92 posts
Mar 06, 2009
8:46 AM
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scott i paid 1000 for 0003 and 2500 for 0016 so its not a myth.lol i can tell u it was well worth the investment alot better than that damn stock market lol
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2632 posts
Mar 06, 2009
8:48 AM
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Hey Warspeed you can say that again..lol...
Hey Scott you better start killing lol..hey wildlife people is a joke so relax....
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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Scott
1792 posts
Mar 06, 2009
9:28 AM
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Able, you have a point, the right few "key" birds are worth every penny, the problem is few are identified,and those that are usually are never parted with.
I plowed through many pigeons to find my nuggets,it took a lot of work and many years, they are pricless
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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cardo2s
92 posts
Mar 06, 2009
12:34 PM
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Was'nt Antonio (Worm) Mitchell involved with 0016.
He use to live down the street from me and I remember him talking very highly of the Teenager(0016)/Sweet 16?
LAFD ROLLER CLUB
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mrartg
75 posts
Mar 06, 2009
6:25 PM
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Awsome looking birds Abel, Spanky, and Efren! Looking foward to some day own some gold nuggets like that. thanks for sharing
Art Gaona
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Joe Dan
145 posts
Mar 06, 2009
7:59 PM
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Some very nice looking birds fellas!
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Joe Dan Parson
Full Turn Lofts
North Texas
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spanky
795 posts
Mar 07, 2009
10:42 PM
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SON OFF 0003 ABELS BIRD
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