Scott
2307 posts
Jul 03, 2009
5:08 PM
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Sal,you missed my point, I suspect that he is breeding a more mentaly solid pigeon, and not just a bunch of cannon fodler.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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gotspin7
2456 posts
Jul 03, 2009
5:59 PM
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Scott, not at all. I also have a good idea of what Mr. Decker fly's and what he has added to them to get them were he has them. I also know he breeds for spin. Trust me I know what you are talking about. I just think too much time is wasted on worrying about who breeds the most culls and who dosen't, rather than trying to talk more about spin and how to get them there on a more consistant basis. Also how to breed for higher percentages of spinners and not just plain deep tumblers. I would also add how to build a real kit with team work and how long does it really take to get one this way, most think that you could put a good sound kit in one year....lol... I wish it was that easy. I think you are missing mine a little. But F@&! it. Keep them flying and good luck with your program.
P.S.. How many times a year do you really get hit? Don't dance around this time. Be honest about it. Here I will start with mine just in case you want to know..LOL.. I lost 50 to the BOP'S last year and that includes 10 out of my A kit and you never heard me crying about that, I kept them going..LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3154 posts
Jul 03, 2009
7:57 PM
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LMAO Sal you a snap..you know Scott good when you say don't dance around this time..Here I will start with mine just in case you want to know..LOL.
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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kcfirl
591 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:02 PM
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Hi guys,
I also preducted that The Europeans and South Africans would do quite well and win the WC this year and my hat is off to Hannes and whoever wins - they certainly desrve all the congratulations.
For big instantaneous breaks and very good style, the Europena birds cannot be beat.
And yes, I have seen them on both sides of the pond.
Sincerely,
Ken Firl
PS. I am keeping my Pensom based family regardless as I prefer the spin they posses and big, instantaneous breaks are not my personal highest priority.
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Scott
2311 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:14 PM
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Bullshit Ken, of coarse they can be beat, I don't care what you think you have seen, our best here can comptete against any.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 9:21 PM
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
459 posts
Jul 04, 2009
5:33 AM
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Sal,
Your experience with the BOP is similar to mine. Last year I raised 83 and lost 49 of them to BOP. Lost 11 in the 30 day run up to the the WC regionals. Not to mention the residual effect that had on the rest of the kit, fast flying, S-turns, etc. In this part of the country the BOP migration makes it impossible to fly in Mar/Apr without heavy losses.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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DHenderson
87 posts
Jul 04, 2009
6:49 PM
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I haven't gone thru all the posts here but I suspect that the kits that broke the same or the most simutaneously got the best score like past years with NONE US judges. I have seen and heard several make comments in this regard.
Of course some kits are easy to judge and others are not.
we all know what they are expecting so you know that more european and SA kits are going to be towards the top as in prior years with NONE US judges.
I am not suggesting that their birds are inferior or ours are poor breaking birds but with the lack of a WC standard to judge by this is the best you can expect.
I really see the WC going loosing participation in the next several years due to this judging and the lack of a common set of standards to judge by that all can relate too.
We have already heard of the European Fly doing so well and that will continue. The WC will get it's lump but many times if a US guy is judging many over there will not fly or vis versa.
I think a lot of it has to do with economics but it's hard to say, countries using the EURO have an advantage to traveling on this thing and judging.
Like many things the WC has probably peeked and is now on a downslide, unfortunately but that is just what happens to many things out there, including the Cal. Classic and even some clubs.
Of course the WC is a larger scale but with a difference in opinions and differences in judging and selecting rollers from here to there and also climate changes effect everything across the board.
Even the NBRC will have problems due to predators in teh coming years with the lack of participation, wrong time to fly and possibly even moving that event closer or in to the WC slot in teh future to appease more US fanciers.
just my input on this.
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gotspin7
2461 posts
Jul 05, 2009
8:45 AM
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Ralph, what up bro. I hope all is well with your rollers.
Joe, I understand what you are saying..lol..
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Sal Ortiz
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deano
221 posts
Jul 07, 2009
7:59 AM
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may the best kit in the judges eyes win dosnt matter what country after all its supposed to be a friendly hobby it will do no good slaging the judges off as they are hard enough to get judges 9 weeks away from his on birds is long enough
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kcfirl
594 posts
Jul 07, 2009
8:56 AM
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Dear Scott,
you need to get out and about more buddy. Go see what you are calling BS (although you have never gone to see) and then I'll take your opinion seriously.
Best Regards,
Ken
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kcfirl
595 posts
Jul 07, 2009
8:57 AM
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Dear Deano,
congratulations on am outstanding showing - you have represented the Middlesborough boys well. Here's hoping your placing holds up.
Best Regards,
Ken
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Scott
2325 posts
Jul 07, 2009
9:05 AM
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Ken you spend a few day seeing a few kits and now they can't be beat,I suggest that you spend more time out of Sacramento.
What, you think you are the only one that has ever been over there ? like I said Bullshit
If they are the cats meow why don't you have them ? I know that I would dump everything on the property if I thought that my best couldn't compete with the best when all is right.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 07, 2009 9:48 AM
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kcfirl
596 posts
Jul 07, 2009
1:51 PM
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Hi Scott,
you can do better than that response buddy. You are still relying on the old trick of twisitng what someone said into something else and then arguing against nonexistent claim.
I didn't say they couldn't be beat, I said that in my opinin they had good style and broke together better than any Pensom based kits I have ever seen. And that the elimination of the 1/2 second rule would tend to favor the birds across the ocean. Some of the best Pensom based kits I've seen belonged to Starley, Ouellete, Cambell, Emberton, KGB, Hayes, Aljouni among others. Some of them I only saw once, others several times over the cousres of the last 10 years.
You're right, I ony saw about 25 kits in my two days in England including Mason, Wanless, and the Middlesbourough boys including Deano - currently #2 in the WC as well as Heine's cock and hen kits on another trip.
Of course others have been over there as well. Rick Schoenig was and he did bring some back to try and capture a bit of the same quality.
I can understand you being biased about your own birds, it's human nature. What I can't understand is why you would refuse to believe that any strain of birds might have better kit sensitivity than your own?
Isn't some data better than the absence of any?
Best Regards,
Ken
PS. I like my own birds for other reasons than kit sensitivity. That is not my most important criteria but then everyone already knows that based on my scoring record! LOL
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DeepSpinLofts
1485 posts
Jul 07, 2009
2:46 PM
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Good afternoon Ken...
I had wanted to ask you a question regarding Amsterdam Holland.
Do you know if American Airlines fly there from the United Kingdom?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Scott
2327 posts
Jul 07, 2009
3:39 PM
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Why would you keep such inferior birds Ken ?
(PS. I like my own birds for other reasons than kit sensitivity. That is not my most important criteria but then everyone already knows that based on my scoring record! LOL )
(I didn't say they couldn't be beat, I said that in my opinin they had good style and broke together better than any Pensom based kits I have ever seen.)
I'm confused !
(For big instantaneous breaks and very good style, the Europena birds cannot be beat.)
Because I know what my good teams are capable of along with others,also you may want to look at the few US teams in the top ten, the problem is for the amount of flyers there should be more.
I want it all and that is what I strive for, no one is flying great teams day in and day out or year in and year out for that matter, but we just strive for it.
(I can understand you being biased about your own birds, it's human nature. What I can't understand is why you would refuse to believe that any strain of birds might have better kit sensitivity than your own?)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 07, 2009 3:51 PM
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diamondrollers
323 posts
Jul 07, 2009
10:14 PM
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i think we should all just focuse on what we got going in our own backyards. on any giving day there are kits here in the USA that can compete with the best around the world. why cry to one another?
sal
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J_Star
2009 posts
Jul 08, 2009
4:55 AM
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Could it be the difference between us and them in the management rather than the birds? When a fancier figure out how to tickle his birds, he can get the most out of them. Food for thoughts…
Jay
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j .wanless
851 posts
Jul 08, 2009
8:11 AM
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hi all
i think the s/africans start thier w/c tomorrow. so you ladies can stop all the bickering lol.i reckon 1 of them will win it.heres 3 names to look out for .
johnny conradie alfie scott riaan kruger.by the way here/s something to get you all riled up about.hannes told me while staying with me.he has not yet seen a kit that he could say was worthy of winning the w/c yet.each + every kit has lacked something.
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Scott
2328 posts
Jul 08, 2009
10:00 AM
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John, I think you are right as they have been so close the past few years, these guys are serious on a nationial level.
It has not allways been this way for these guys, they have stepped up to meet the challange.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Alohazona
653 posts
Jul 08, 2009
10:43 AM
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John,
See what happens when a judge doesn't make it out to Hawaii.Those under britches keep getting tighter and tighter till there nothing but dental floss.
He would have mai tai's in both hands a teriyaki steak sandwich in the top pocket of his aloha shirt.A massage from a couple of oriental girls that would make his rubber slippahs fly off his feet.But noooooo....Oh well !!
As far as those under britches....he would have left commando .....ALL THE WAY !!!!!!!
A L O H A :}
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j .wanless
852 posts
Jul 08, 2009
11:09 AM
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hi all
youre right scott ive been going over there the last 6 years + i have noticed a massive improvement in thier birds.aloha can i come + judge for you next year i will not miss the flight lol.PLEASE,
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Scott
2329 posts
Jul 08, 2009
3:00 PM
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Still waiting LOL
Why would you keep such inferior birds Ken ?
(PS. I like my own birds for other reasons than kit sensitivity. That is not my most important criteria but then everyone already knows that based on my scoring record! LOL )
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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kcfirl
598 posts
Jul 08, 2009
4:47 PM
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Dear Scott,
I've been through this topic extensively and you and I just disagree.
It's because I don't believe a single family can be the fastest, deepest, best syle, best kitting, most frequent and best big breaking. I believe a guy has to pioritize what is most important and put those attributes first in his selection.
You, on the other hand beleive that one strain of birds can be the best at everything.
Of course, I guess I could just take the short cut to perfection and start over with birds from you.......NOT. :-)
Best Regards,
Ken
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155
1105 posts
Jul 08, 2009
5:23 PM
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SO SCOTT WHAT KIND OF BIRDS ARE YOU FLYING?
SO KEN WHAT KIND OF BIRDS ARE YOU FLYING?
..........IF IS KOOL TO KNOW..............
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JOSE JIMENEZ AKA EVILLOFT'S
-MESA,ARIZONA-
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Scott
2330 posts
Jul 08, 2009
5:28 PM
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That dance is your answer ? LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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155
1106 posts
Jul 08, 2009
5:30 PM
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LMAOOO
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JOSE JIMENEZ AKA EVILLOFT'S
-MESA,ARIZONA-
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macsrollers
125 posts
Jul 08, 2009
8:48 PM
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John W. Just to clarify as there seems to be a misconception of what happened with Hannes and his flight to Hawaii. Hannes didn't miss the flight, in fact he went out of his way to try to get over there. It is not my place to explain what exactly happened, that is the WC committee's responsibility. But it seems that people keep going back to Hannes missing his flight and that simply is not true. Everyone have a great fly the next time you let them out!
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katyroller
452 posts
Jul 08, 2009
9:22 PM
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It would be nice if they came out with an explanation. The longer they wait, the more it looks like there is something to hide.
Tracey
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katyroller
453 posts
Jul 08, 2009
9:28 PM
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Alohazona,
"He would have mai tai's in both hands a teriyaki steak sandwich in the top pocket of his aloha shirt.A massage from a couple of oriental girls that would make his rubber slippahs fly off his feet."
Man, I got to get back home if that's the way you bruddahs fly! Sounds like the parties we used to have in the Philippines after winning a 4 cock bird derby.
Tracey
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jim
245 posts
Jul 08, 2009
11:20 PM
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South Africa
DQ
35
182
186
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Jim "Mason"
http://www.devilear-roller.co.za
Member of NBRC
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jim
246 posts
Jul 09, 2009
12:59 AM
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Steve Naude
391 1.4 & 1.3
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Jim "Mason"
http://www.devilear-roller.co.za
Member of NBRC
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j .wanless
853 posts
Jul 09, 2009
8:16 AM
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hi all
mac yes i know why hannes did not make it to hawaii he told me .apparantly there was a massive security check going on at the airport + by the time it was all sorted it was too late to judge in hawaii.but never mind i would still go going on aloahas promise lol.
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Scott
2335 posts
Jul 09, 2009
12:32 PM
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I know for a fact that it wasn't one that he wanted to miss,he even had a swim suit that he even brought along for it, well at least he got to sample a Calif lake with it LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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