jnyce
774 posts
Jul 24, 2009
12:59 PM
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a guy that i met when he seen my birds flying asked me to put him in contact with a guy that had good rollers so i told him i would, i call a friend who i would call a good guy and told him this guy was intrested in buying some birds he told me that was cool give him my number so i then proceeded to tell him the guy wanted to pick them out of the air he stated why would he ask that i said because he's a bird guy and he knows whats going on in return he states that if thats what he want to do then it's gonna cost him 50 a bird!! do you guys think this is fair especailly when i know that he normally would sell them for 25 but because he want to pick out of the air the price goes up
jerry t
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2009 12:59 PM
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smeyer02
23 posts
Jul 24, 2009
1:03 PM
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If he likes what the bird does in the air and is willing to pay that price it's not fair or unfair if he wants and likes the bird and can afford the price it's worth it to him then doen't make a diffrence what anyone else thinks
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George R.
37 posts
Jul 24, 2009
1:25 PM
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... kit Birds picked out of the AIR should cost no less then 100.00 dollers each.
but at the 100.00 price he wont have many sales, times are tuff and not many people are willing to spend any money at this time
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 PM
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3579 posts
Jul 24, 2009
2:09 PM
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Pigeons, good or bad, should be very close to free or the cost of a shipping box and shipping costs.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
480 posts
Jul 24, 2009
4:56 PM
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Nick.
Old friend, I am with you on that. The best I have ever gotten were free.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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gentle johnnie
63 posts
Jul 24, 2009
5:02 PM
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fair or unfair is not the right question- if you normally get 25 for your birds then flying them should not be a problem a 25 dollar bird flow or pick from loft is still a 25 dollar bird- sell the best in air or in loft same price- WWJD - WHAT WOULD JESUS DO ? I think He would give them away - GOD BLESS !!!!!!!! I got my start for price of box and mail from Dr.Cliff Ball-that is the way it should be. Kenny Hartman and Bruce Howery help also, all great guys thanks for the help!!!!!!
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Gentle Johnnie "Angels of the Sky Loft"
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
105 posts
Jul 24, 2009
6:11 PM
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nicksiders & Sunflower I would very happly send you two box & shipping fee will you send me some of your good kit birds I have it tough here in the east coast no one flys birds and I have been trying to breed of two pair and have no idea what faimley they are from dont know when or if they will come into the roll I would be very happy to pay 50) bucks to pick birds out of the air Rookie from ct
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George R.
38 posts
Jul 24, 2009
7:47 PM
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rookie
There you go Nick and sunflower are going to send you thier best Birds in thier KITS.
Nick and Sunflower GOOD JOB of STEPPING UP and GIVING AWAY your VERY best kit Birds !!!!
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Hector Coya
542 posts
Jul 24, 2009
8:33 PM
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Good one Rookie,
That was very nice of them to offer.
I guess there way more genarouse than me.I spend numaros hours feeding and flying,i leave work early somtimes just to fly them at the time they will be flying for the next big fly,i think my time is worth somthing,especialy if somone wants to pick the best bird in your kit.
why whould you sell a youngster out of the nest ,the same for a bird youve been feeding all year.
Gector Coya
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cv rollers
430 posts
Jul 24, 2009
8:53 PM
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I would pay for air tested birds..specially if i got to choose the birds $50.00 is cheap, recession or not,i think most breeders will not give up there hard work and love of his birds for any amount of money,like hector said to much hours spent flying and feeding"my time is worth something"well put hector
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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RodSD
300 posts
Jul 24, 2009
9:11 PM
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That sound like taking advantage of someone. If he normally sells them for $25, why does he charges them more just to see them fly? Would that be like buying a car with a price listed, then suddenly the price went up because you want to test drive it?
Maybe the middle ground would be $25, but have to pay $50 for the fly as insurance, then pay back the $25 back when all birds are safe on the ground.
Or maybe the seller just have to make his mind and says that untested bird cost $25, but flight tested cost $50 and that would be his normal price. Then that would be fair to me. So being upfront and honest makes it fair.
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Hector Coya
543 posts
Jul 24, 2009
9:24 PM
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i can tell somone i will sell him some young birds ,unflown for 20 buck,but if he says no i want your best from you #1 team, Of cores im going to say no,becouse i whould value a bird ive been flying for 2 years ,more than a squeecker,Now if that person sees a bird he just has to have ,and it happens to be a bird i just dont want to get rid of,he will have to show big bucks,becouse i may not have any interest in selling that bird,but everything has a price.
Hector Coya
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 PM
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donnie james
597 posts
Jul 24, 2009
9:27 PM
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hay jerry sounds like that guy is hurting for money that's why he jack up his prices so he can make a fast buck...............donny james
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rollernutz
83 posts
Jul 24, 2009
10:05 PM
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Jerry, I think its fair if the guy gets to pick the birds "he" wants out of the air and not one the seller picks out for him. As we all know some birds are better than others, so of course the better one's will cost more. One good thing about it is, he can watch the birds fly and if he doesn't feel they are worth his 50 bucks, he does not have to buy them, whereas if he pays the 25 bucks, he's buying them on a"wing and prayer"...............KEVIN
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Hector Coya
544 posts
Jul 24, 2009
11:03 PM
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I was at a fly a few months ago,
this guy is one of the top flyers here in So,Cal.
We where waching the kit work,and this guy,i whont mantion names ascked the flyer ,how much for that bird that just rolled,it was the best bird in the kit that day.
The Flyer said,that bird is not for sale,the guy ,i think offered him like 500 bucks,the flyer said that bird is not for sale,time whent on a while later the guy kept bugging him,he whent up to a thousand and the flyer whould not let go af the bird,to my surprizemthe guy pulled out thirteen houndred dollars and shoved it in the guys hands and said, this it it,give me the bird,the flyer turned around and got the bird out of the box and said here you go.
true story.
Hector Coya
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
Last Edited by on Jul 24, 2009 11:05 PM
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katyroller
486 posts
Jul 25, 2009
7:48 AM
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Sounds unfair to me. $25.00, if he doesn't fly them or $50.00, if he flys them. Somehow I don't believe the $50.00 birds are the same ones that can be bought for $25.00, if he doesn't fly them. Now if he says $25.00 for untested and $50.00 for tested, I would call that fair.
Tracey
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
481 posts
Jul 25, 2009
4:45 PM
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Rookie,
After the Fall Fly in October, I will be happy to send you 2 pair of my best kit birds. Send me a box, I'll even pay the shipping. Promise you that you won't be disappointed.
Now George, why don't you step up and make the same offer!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
Last Edited by on Jul 25, 2009 4:51 PM
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jnyce
776 posts
Jul 25, 2009
7:25 PM
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Yeah george step up and when your ready i will gladly send u a box lol
jerry t
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macsrollers
152 posts
Jul 25, 2009
8:36 PM
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A bird proven out of the air is worth $50 if you were willing to pay $25 for a bird you never saw spin or a squeaker because of a name behind it. I would rather pay the $50, seems like a much more solid investment. But if you get to know enough good roller guys you most likely won't pay for anything except shipping and crate- like a few of these gentlemen have offered! Or even better you have some good guys in your area that will give you some good birds for free. But you shouldn't take them without giving them some feed money or a bag of feed or two! Our friends in this hobby are the best friends we can have! Enjoy your next fly! Don M. LVRC
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jnyce
777 posts
Jul 26, 2009
7:06 AM
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well said done
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jerry t
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Windjammer Loft
862 posts
Jul 26, 2009
7:33 AM
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I think if the birds are the "same ones",in the air or a pen. They shoud be the same $$ price $$. But,if it were me I would walk, no run...., away as fast as I could from him.. Jerry T,your bird buddy,sounds like a feather mershant to me.... I know that comment will stir up alot of feathers.... NO need to jack up the price either way. Just my opinio
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 AM
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Hector Coya
545 posts
Jul 26, 2009
11:22 AM
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Paul,nobady is jacking up the price,theres just diferent prices for diferent birds ,simple as that.A breeder that has produces real good birds for 3 years is worth more than a squeecker,just like a bird that has flown for 2 years and spinning his ass off ,is worth more than a youngster that has been flying for 2 weeks,,,
What is so hard to understand,
To my friends i give birds away,but to someone i know nothing about and probably will never see again,i will ask a fair and decent price, like 50 for pick of the #1 kit,its like dogs,i breed Boxers,the pick of the litter always goes for more.
Hector
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
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JMUrbon
732 posts
Jul 26, 2009
5:02 PM
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Fifty bucks to pick a bird from the air is more than fair. Nick I give birds away all the time but you would be hard pressed to ever get a bird from me unless I know you and have seen your operation and know the birds would be well cared for. So yes sometimes the best birds are free but you just cant let every Tom , Dick and Harry come choose your birds from the air for free or you will have a kit full of culls all the time.
JNYCE to answer your question in my opinion that is more than fair. Espacially if the birds are good. Not just the avarage kit birds but GOOD quality birds. Believe me peaple pay alot more than that at other lofts. Joe
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Alohazona
654 posts
Jul 26, 2009
6:22 PM
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Birds and Money...hmmmm,
Is it the money or the morality that stewards such a choice?You can pay big bucks for birds,but be lacking in the morality of the transaction big time.You can pay say ,just the shipping of the birds and the morality is a thousand fold.
We did not enter this world with pockets full of gold.We cannot take pockets full of gold,when its our time to leave.We are the stewards of money that has been gifted to us all the time in between that,and it's our responsibility to use it properly.
For the love of money is at the root of all kinds of evil. [1 Timothy 6:10]
If you do not get good birds,it might be a lesson in patience.
ps.Dexter,Thank you for the 3 precious gems you sent me this weekend from your WC kit.You are a THOUSAND FOLD FANCIER!
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ezeedad
1024 posts
Jul 26, 2009
7:30 PM
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I don't get it..!! How can somebody sell their birds like they're apples or peaches..??
Since when are all rollers worth the same?
And even more amazing to me is how someone can be allowed to pick birds out of somebodys kit... for cheap!! Especially now-a-days when BOPs are taking so many.
Paul G
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katyroller
489 posts
Jul 26, 2009
7:53 PM
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Think about it this way. A guy comes to your loft and asks how much for birds in one of your kits. You tell the guy $25.00 a bird and when he tells you he wants to see them fly you tell him the price is now $50.00. How do you justify the price change? We are talking about the same birds from the same kit. Basically, what I am getting is that there are fanciers out there who would let the guy pay $25.00, for culls if he didn't know enough to ask to see them fly.
Tracey
This post is not directed toward anyone on this board. :)
Last Edited by on Jul 26, 2009 7:55 PM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3236 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:03 PM
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If that's how it went I agree with you Katyroller .but if it happen the other way around I agree with Hector.
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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Hector Coya
546 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:08 PM
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I dont realy think he was selling the same birds cheaper if he didnt let them out,dont make sence to me,im sure that person was selling his birds for 25,but if you want to pick them out of his #1 team rolling already,they whould be 50.that sounds like what happened.Hector
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
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katyroller
490 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:18 PM
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I agree that as fanciers we have every right to ask any amount of money for the birds we breed. We know how much work and money has gone into developing our family of birds. Having said that, I also believe that as responsible fanciers interested in the welfare of the hobby/sport, we should try to keep our prices reasonable for the quality of the birds being sold. You can search for the post where someone asked how many fanciers have been ripped off. Look at how many folks claimed to have been ripped off.
Tracey
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katyroller
491 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:22 PM
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Hector,
If that's the way it went down, you are right and the price increase was fair.
Tracey
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ezeedad
1025 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:24 PM
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Tracey,
I guess I can see if that way if the guy had already said that he would sell the same birds for 25$.
But who is to say that the birds which weren't rolling on the day the guy were culls? It could also be that the ones rolling best were the true culls.. Things can change day to day as far as roll is concerned.
Paul G
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katyroller
492 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:32 PM
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Paul,
I understand what you are saying. I guess the problem is that we don't really know exactly how things went down.
Tracey
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3240 posts
Jul 26, 2009
8:38 PM
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That"s why know who you buying from see all his birds fly but don't buy yet study study study....cause Paul you right I had a cull that can roll better than my good birds he would fly with the cull team like a pro.but when put in with the good team even with the good team it would roll good but you would see the difference when he didn't have the heart to stay with the team and it would become an out bird which made him a cull.When Dan Galarza was here he saw it and wanted that bird I told him it was a cull.he saw it fly with a couple of culls I had because my others birds were on lock down and I told him those I was not going to fly because of bop and they were all I had.
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
Last Edited by on Jul 26, 2009 8:41 PM
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Bill C
414 posts
Jul 26, 2009
10:00 PM
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Fair, Bill C
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Windjammer Loft
863 posts
Jul 27, 2009
6:57 AM
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Everyone "needs" to re-read the original post. No one memtioned that it was a #1 kit that the birds were going to be pick from. One one memtioned anything about older birds or squeakers. And if the guy sell them for $25 regularly but,if he flys them they are now $50,thats jacking up the price.....
This is what was said, "the guy wanted to pick them out of the air he stated why would he ask that i said because he's a bird guy and he knows whats going on in return he states that if thats what he want to do then it's gonna cost him 50 a bird!! do you guys think this is fair especailly when i know that he normally would sell them for 25 but because he want to pick out of the air the price goes up
To me this is UNFAIR.....
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Alohazona
655 posts
Jul 27, 2009
9:16 AM
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Paul,
Life can be unfair! Like I said in my above post,it was probably a test of patience.
My question is "did they fly and buy?" or did he walk away grumbling?Either way he probably did not deserve to choose that mans birds out of the air.Sounds like the buyer took no time to get to know the breeder,he just wanted what he was not able to have.Fifty dollars is not unheard of in the Roller world......Aloha,Todd
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pigeon pete
341 posts
Jul 27, 2009
9:31 AM
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It seems like a simple business deal to me.
If the guy sends you $25 birds, he will not be selling his best birds first I would have thought or he may have trouble selling those he has left.
The seller may consider that on average his birds are worth $25 each.
If you go along and pick the best birds, the ones you pick they may be worth $50 in his eyes.
Then the birds he has left may be worth less than $25 average price per bird. Some sellers will supply a mixture from their stock, one or two better birds and some not so, (nobody can sell all top notch performers if they are selling on a regular basis)
I don't sell birds very often, but unless they are young birds I will put an individual price on them due to an unfortunate experience with a buyer.
I had a guy ring me for birds and he came over to see my holdover kit. In this kit I had 3 very good red checks that I didn't really want to part with.
He handled the birds before I flew them and in passing said he didn't like red checks.
So I said you can take your pick from the kit at £5 per bird which was givaway price (well almost as I said I'll put an extra bird in for luck lol).
After the fly he picked out several birds and then said there was also a good red check but didn't know which one it was, so he would take them all.
I was a bit gutted but i am a man of my word so he took them. It was my own fault I know, but since then any bird will have an individual price, and if it's not for sale I will make it plain.
The worst part was that 3 months later the guy rang up again and told me all the birds he bought from me had died and could he buy some more!
I just said I didn't have anything for sale, and a few weeks later I met a guy who told me he had bought a couple of the birds that I had sold to the guy who took the red checks.
I asked him why he had bought dead birds, and we had a laugh when I told him the story.
Pete.
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MANN
39 posts
Jul 27, 2009
11:33 AM
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It's unfair jnyce when your friend lets you pick them out the air for 25 and any body else its 50 now thats unfair.
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jnyce
778 posts
Jul 27, 2009
12:05 PM
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i never said he let me pick birds out of the air for 25 infact when i got started he gave me 20 youngs and didnt ask for a nickle ,now i spoke with him about this the same day i posted these thread and he said that there no way he would sell a proven bird for the same amount as a young bird that he has no idea of what they could do in the air 50 is a reasonable amount for good bird . he then went on to say that he people sell birds for much more just off of name alone and not no if the bird spins or not
jerry t
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fhtfire
2008 posts
Jul 27, 2009
1:52 PM
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First off....The price is whatever the seller wants to sell for.
I will take me for example...if you want a squeeker right off the floor...you will pay 25-35.00 for a squeeker....the price is determined on what pair the squeekers come from....or if you are buying a couple or a whole round of birds...
As for a bird in the air that is doing it...Minimum of 100.00 for a bird in the air....that is doing it..if it is a top notch A-team bird you could pay up too 200.00 per bird...basically it depends on the time of year....and how many birds I have....and how old the bird is.....it also depends on if the person is a local flier on not...The local fliers get a better deal.
As far as breeders go...you could go up to a grand.
Basically it all about how bad you want somebodies stock.....or how bad you want that bird...The way I look at it is this...if you dont want it dont buy it.
My hard work is into the birds....cost of feed, time...lots of time....etc etc. Not only the time and energy to ship the birds...it is 40 miles round trip to take them to the Post Office....
Again...its all based on who wants the birds...if you want it you will pay...
If I added up all the nickels and dimes I spent for garbage starting out.....I spent far more the the amount I spent for good birds right off the bat.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2009 posts
Jul 27, 2009
2:29 PM
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Oh...and to answer the question....I think it is fair....there his birds and he can set whatever rules he wants....if you dont like the rules..dont buy the birds....
if someone calls me and tries to low ball me...then I just wont sell them....that simple...I had somebody that wanted a couple hens to go with some cocks that they had...they wanted proven hens out of my kits...well...I dont have a lot of birds in my A-team...and the ones that are left are my hold over birds and also one 07 bird...I told the guy 150 for one and 200 for the other....he said no to high...well...I still have the birds in my team.....he chose not to take them...That is what I felt it would take to let that bird go....or birds go....but again..that was my choice....and Paul G. is right...we are not selling apples and oranges...each bird will have a price set based on performance, time or year, Fly record, What pair they are out of etc etc.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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harrison
1089 posts
Jul 27, 2009
3:32 PM
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A guy from WALES (PART OF BRITIAN) come on the uk site after bying some good rollers.
After speaking to him on the phone and him telling me about keeping racing pigeons for many years but leaving the sport due to exspence going up to much,
And just his questions and talk in genral I new this was a genuine guy.
I told him that I had a pair of birds for him but they was still in the breeders and he would have to wait nearly a month before i could send them.
They were two yearlings that i raised myself.
They are great rollers and I would be over the moon with them if it was me getting them as my first pair of rollers.
I told him that I can guarentee they are great rollers but carnt guarentee they will be great breeders.
I have young out of them so when they start doing the bizz i will let him no.
NICK SIDERS hit the nail on the head.
(THEY SHOULD COST NO MORE THAN THE SHIPPING FEE)
And that is what it cost LES09.
I told him it was my pleasure to help him get on the right track and I hope they do him proud.
He as now got the birds and he is over the moon with them.
He sounds a verry nice man and realy intrested in getting into rollers.
so my answer to the question is it fair or unfair.
It all depends on the people you are dealing with.
Some people are in the game to make a dollar.
Some people bcause they love rollers and and also enjoy the life style that comes with them.
Meaning,helping people out with birds,
Learning people what to do with them,flying, feeding ect..
Were i obtaind my stock from i would have paid £25 british money no problem.
but he exsplaind a few things to me and i ended up paying just £5 POUNDS EACH FOR THEM.
This is a man who loves rollers and enjoys helping the best he can if he knows you will do your part and treat the birds with respect.
So when LES09 askd me what i wanted for them I told him nothing.
As a lad i got rippt off with birds that couldnt roll more than anyone in the world.
No one ever helpt me out to get on the right track and looking back I think that was a shame.
We had this as a post on the uk site and i said if i could help somone out i would bcause it want nice as a lad trying to get good birds and there been none availible to me.
And a month o so later I helpt LES.
So I am proud of myself and I hope i can help other people in the future.
My best birds didnt cost me a penny.
Once my now good friend relised just what it meant to me keeping rollers he has do nothing but help me get on the best i can.
Everyone as a diffrent attitude to the guestion you askd and this is my answer.
yours in roll harrison uk hull.
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Square
748 posts
Jul 27, 2009
3:45 PM
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Here is my take, If the guy is pickingum outta the air 50$ is a great price. This is why in my eyes if the bird is rolling good then it's over a couple of months old "persay" then you add the feed @ a table spoon a day at the least much more and diffrent feed for the first few months. Withen 3 to 4 months the bird is at least worth the feed put into it 25$ per bag for the lucky at lets say 17%. Then add in the time it took to make the bird shine, like rolling and standing out, this dosent include meds, Vac's wormers vitamins and what not. Also the fact that the guy is able to see the product for himself. With his own eye's.. I think the breeder should atleast get the minimum for time and work invested and 50$ is on the lower end in my eyes. I dont really sell birds much however I had a new club member come and see my rollers, He didnt buy anything right then however later on he asked me how much I wanted for the little pepperhead hen I was flying in my Y.B team I asked him howmuch it was worth to him and he said 60$ I said ok. I reingforced that the bird wasnt proven and it was alittle deep 30 to 40ft, he said it didnt matter. I told him the bird was his however I would fly it till he came and picked it up,, he said ok,, about two months went by and he had a friend pick up the bird,, However it wasn't the same bird as far as the roll it had shallowed up by half now it was a 15 to 20 ft roller, my point is that it was hard to give that bird up for me, as it was perfect not to mention I lost it's mother in a loft accident. so 60 bucks was ok then but now I relize I lost it's weight in gold as far as the future of my stock. I had to stand by my word and let the bird go... So 60$ to him is 60bucks, to me it was alot of hard work.... Just the way I see it...Cant really put a price on time and hard work it's kinda like art, Someone will pay rediculous money for a ugly painting or a sculpture in my eyes but to them it's worth the price...My birds are a work of art so I dont really put a price onum.. I leave that to the eye's that wants them... Good luck to all....1
Booker
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harrison
1092 posts
Jul 27, 2009
4:06 PM
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Good story Booker.
Yes you said the bird was his but leaving it for 2 month before collecting it is taking the piss just a little dont you think.
You was in your right to refuse to let that bird go and if it meant so much to you to keep it then you should have.
Yes we like to be true to our word but if it takes him 8 weeks to get the bird then he isnt that intrested in the first place.
just my view harrison.
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
484 posts
Jul 27, 2009
4:06 PM
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What is fair is the price that the buyer and the seller agree to, nothing more, nothing less.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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harrison
1093 posts
Jul 27, 2009
4:13 PM
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Man if I sold a bird they would have to take it there and then.
Once its there property I shouldnt have to feed,ect..that bird.
For whatever reason he couldnt collect on that day example he askd to buy the bird at the club then fair game a few days max.
But to house that bird and train it with your A TEAM kit and get that bird to its best then 8 weekslater some dude bangs on the door saying he as come to collect the pepper head hen.
I no were i would tell him to go.
If he had paid for the bird I would have sent him the money back.
I dont think he give you any respect there mate.
like i said just my view harrison
H.K.R ROLLER LOFT HULL UK
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JMUrbon
733 posts
Jul 27, 2009
5:19 PM
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The reasoning behind the price increase is you will pick birds from the loft that might not have the goods in the air just because they look the part. If you pick them from the air they will definately have the goods. Its kinda like picking cherries. You certainly wouldnt pick the green ones to eat when there are red ones right next to them. I dont know what the hang up is with this question. Now if I asked you to pick the best out of your A team for me to purchase and you told me 25 bucks and then I said I wanted to see them fly and you told me then it would be 50 bucks I would tell you to go pound sand. If I were the one doing the choosing then it is whatever price we could come to an agreement on. Joe
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Square
749 posts
Jul 27, 2009
5:42 PM
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Harrison,, Thanx for the input Yea I probally let myself get dooped on that one For sure. That has been my problem in the past just alittle to nice at times. The hardest thing is the fact that the guy dosent even have the bird, its still at the loft of the guy who picked it up,LOL He offerd me the bird back, however I really dont wanna deal with all that. Yea he wont be gettin SH%!! from me anymore,, my first thought after all that time was to tell him to FU__OFF but I gave him my word on the bird,Thanx for the insight,
Booker
Booker.
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Rocky Lofts
27 posts
Jul 27, 2009
6:20 PM
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Hi guys
I have been in rollers for quite a few years but have had a similar thing happen to me with the purchase of some pigeons.
I went to purchase some "monty" birds from a guy that imported them. He said that each bird would cost me $200 and if he flies them and they performed it would cost me $400. To my amustment none of them rolled. I stilled purchased 3 pairs at $200 per bird hoping they would breed me excellent montys as I had heard that these pigeons were great performers.
After approximately 4 months I met another roller fancier and discussed my "monty" birds only to find out that the person that I purchased my "monty's" from was actually a "Feather Merchant" (rip off guy)
I was horrified that this could happen and immediately contacted this "rip off guy" and demanded my money back. This person didn't hesistate in returning my money as it had been proven not only from me but others that he was ripping people off, selling a different line of pigeon. This was proven to be correct as a DNA test was performed.
Then by word of mouth I found "toughrollers lofts" and he had explained what line of pigeons he had and I ended up purchasing "Monty" and "Ruby's" from him at $25each. I also scored 2 free breeders of him.
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Cheers, Rocky
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Square
750 posts
Jul 27, 2009
6:57 PM
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Right On Rocky, yea that sounds like a bad deal.. Good to hear you did some forensics..LOL that's prettie bad ass.....People like that to me are "Cornballs" basically fooling people to lone him money.. $200 bucks time's 200 people or so you would be in a position to give the money back with the Quickness, ya know the whole Money back Garentee move... LOL oldest trick in the book. good to hear you eventually got some real bird's from a true rollerman, not to mention you didnt have to take a 2nd out on the house... Great story and good luck,, $50 for a bird outta the air..."Fair" 1
Square
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