gotspin7
2560 posts
Sep 27, 2009
6:19 PM
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Hector, to add a little bro. This is what I guess I have been trying to get out there and somehow it does not come out..lol.. I know you have a idea of hard it is to produce real spinners and then to add all the side stuff ain't you just holding your program back?
Paul, I am done with it and I will say that I will agree to disagree and if you want to discuss any of this further we can take private. You got my e-mail address already... PEACE!
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Sal Ortiz
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Hector Coya
568 posts
Sep 27, 2009
7:23 PM
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Hey Sal,Its all cool,no disrespect here,
I really enjoy my side projects.
And im sure you enjoy yours,Thats all that maters.
I whent to the ICRC show yesterday,and i saw a friend that i gave a muff squeecker a few months back,do you know what a nice feeling it was that he told me it was his best spinner in his kit,that he hasnt seen a faster bird in a long time, And this guy has gone to all the shows and gotten birds from everyone,and for him to say my muff blew all his birds away,that made my day,And for it beeing a muff topped it,,
Hector Coya
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ROBERT RODRIGUEZ
56 posts
Sep 27, 2009
7:40 PM
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muffs cuold do it as good as rollers i seen them i have them they spinn i could prove them wrong performence comes first
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ezeedad
1062 posts
Sep 27, 2009
7:43 PM
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So Sal,
Now you started something and you want to get the last word..
Anyway... Maybe you don't know.. Muffs have gotten a lot more popular lately. Plus they have been around for over 150 years... So it's nothing new.
Seems like we have a couple of "the Other Scott's" taking up in nhis footsteps.. And ol' George is still waving his pom poms...
Oh, I almost forgot... I agree with you about kitting... depth too..
Paul G
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George R.
86 posts
Sep 27, 2009
8:04 PM
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And ol' George is still waving his pom poms...
thats funny Paul LOL
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George Ruiz
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gotspin7
2561 posts
Sep 28, 2009
4:27 AM
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Hey Sal,Its all cool,no disrespect here,
I really enjoy my side projects.
And im sure you enjoy yours,Thats all that maters.
I whent to the ICRC show yesterday,and i saw a friend that i gave a muff squeecker a few months back,do you know what a nice feeling it was that he told me it was his best spinner in his kit,that he hasnt seen a faster bird in a long time, And this guy has gone to all the shows and gotten birds from everyone,and for him to say my muff blew all his birds away,that made my day,And for it beeing a muff topped it,,
Hector Coya
Hector, that sounds good. If it made you happy that is all that matters.
So Sal,
Now you started something and you want to get the last word..
Anyway... Maybe you don't know.. Muffs have gotten a lot more popular lately. Plus they have been around for over 150 years... So it's nothing new.
Paul, not at all. I just did not want you guys to think that I am that rough or a (asshole) maybe I am to some do..LOL... But if you choose to continue, well let's continue.
All I was trying to say is that I know some do focus on the super muffs or color and not on the roll itself, as they stock birds for those particular projects and that is all I was calling BS on and nothing more. Now if I could only get one of you guys to actually step up and be honest about it (Which I know will never happen and why would they right?), we will never finish this thread...lol.. Now I understand there is some good muff rollers out there, now I also understand that some would just stock them only on how long or nice the coloring was on the bird and muffs themselves. Such as a d check with white flights and white mufs maybe?
Seems like we have a couple of "the Other Scott's" taking up in nhis footsteps..
Paul, on this one you got it a little wrong too. I have my own ideas and that is really about it and nothing more. I have no hidden agendas or nothing against you or anybody on this list. To me this is all just a plain conversation and nothing more.
And ol' George is still waving his pom poms...
Paul, George does a good job at it..lol.. Smile George... I also believe he is just supporting what he believes in, am I right George?
Paul, in the end we will do what we believe in and if we feel that is the best way to obtain what ever it is what we are trying to accomplish with our own programs. I know you guys know that I do not have side projects, my main objective is high quality spin and nothing less. I have enjoyed our conversation.
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Sal Ortiz
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Scott
2557 posts
Sep 28, 2009
10:00 AM
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I'll respond to this since Paul wanted to throw my name out there, but first let me say that yes, booted and muffed birds are most certainly part of the breed,and yes I have seen some very good ones by "performance " breeders.
The difference here is they are not "projects",what pops up pops up and there is no considerations to the feathers on the feet, there are just to many important factors to consider while eliminating the faults, these other factors evolve around the mental and physical asspects of the bird .
You CANNOT take your eye off of the ball for something as silly as feathers on the feet, to think that you can is either due to inexperiance or you are just fooling yourself, it is as cut and dry as that.
Again it comes down to those that just talk vrses those that do , those that do that are looking for the gold don't waste perch space with such non sence, nor do they have to justify non performance sillyness such as this while trying to sell everyone that they are perforance breeders,there is only one true test, and that is to pit them against the best in the country and the world, but that aint happening.
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Scott Campbell
"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
508 posts
Sep 28, 2009
10:51 AM
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Scott....Bump
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Alohazona
662 posts
Sep 28, 2009
11:04 AM
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Scott,
Of course it aint happening,because we are not flying on the same day,the same conditions,or more often the same judges[that is subjective anyway],and same team of kit birds.
So you can plainly see the 1 day out of the year that some one has a chance,on a world level, could be a big flop or be the best kit they ever put up and everything in .
That does not discount the 2 to 300 plus times out of the year that we have had better or worse flys.This is rellevant to the mental and physical factors you mentioned above.
If it was the one true test as you claim,that competition winner would and should be expected to win all the flys after that,and we both know that aint happening...Aloha,Todd
Scott,you know I'm for the competitions,but when someone wins an event,it is the guy who had the most factors going in his favor for that particular event.I would not call that a TRUE measure of ones stock.
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Scott
2563 posts
Sep 28, 2009
4:20 PM
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Todd, there is a reason that there are ALLWAYS particular people to look out for , luck won't put you at the top, nor will it carry you very far.
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Scott Campbell
"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
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George R.
87 posts
Sep 28, 2009
4:48 PM
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"Paul, George does a good job at it..lol.. Smile George... I also believe he is just supporting what he believes in, am I right George? "
Yes you are right Sal , The Birmingham Roller is a Performance breed , there is nothing more beautiful then to see a fast tight spin of 10 to 15 yards .
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George Ruiz
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Scott
2564 posts
Sep 28, 2009
5:46 PM
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Pat, if you are useing the luv of Muff as an excuse please move your post to the proper thread before i have to moderate you.
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Scott Campbell
"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
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pat66
416 posts
Sep 28, 2009
6:00 PM
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DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO!!!!!!!! No excuse, I have muffs that smoke!!!!!!!And I do not breed for it! So go ahead and moderate !!!!!!!!!!
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Pat
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
545 posts
Sep 28, 2009
6:37 PM
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Scott,
Please tell me you have not become a moderator. I will have lost all faith in this site.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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pat66
417 posts
Sep 28, 2009
6:46 PM
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LOL, Scott , you are a HOOT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pat
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Rocky Lofts
100 posts
Sep 28, 2009
9:07 PM
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hey scotty, glad to have you back on board.is it true that you got a testicle, transplant.? and how did it go.if not so good ?maybe you should try kangaroo testicles. any ways scotty glad to have you back,it was boring with out you :}smiles. SCOTTY THE STUD. of all bull testicles.
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Cheers, Rocky
"Rocky Lofts"
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Scott
2567 posts
Sep 29, 2009
5:50 AM
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Joe, I figured that I would unofficialy step up before a couple of these guys heads exploded, apparently a couple were found wondering the streets in the middle of the night mumbling " I'm da moderator, I'm da moderator " it was awful Joe, just to much power over load , but the fix was easy, just a pin prick on the head took care of it, they will be back soon.
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Scott Campbell
"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
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XtraDeepRoller
32 posts
Sep 29, 2009
6:53 AM
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I've never had muff in my lofts. Although, there was this one time.....no, I better not say it or Scott will moderate me.
X
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bman
725 posts
Sep 29, 2009
8:27 AM
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Scott, "luck won't put you at the top, nor will it carry you very far".
I agree but bad luck sometimes turns into a tidal wave!
lol
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Ron
Borderline lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2009 8:27 AM
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ezeedad
1063 posts
Sep 29, 2009
10:51 AM
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"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
OoWW..!! Ugh...!! GROAN..!! That was a low blow Scottie..!!
Maybe I'm gonna have to focus on muffs only... Hell..!! Maybe I'll make it qualmond muffs only..!!
I've always wanted to make a kit of muffs only antway..
How can you think I would be dumb enough or inexperienced enough to "take my eye off the ball" for any single feature of the Birmingham roller?
Stand back young man..!! You will be soundly chastized..!!
Paul G.. "The Performance Breeder"
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3724 posts
Sep 29, 2009
11:40 AM
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Here we are on the 4th page of posts about muffs on a performance breed. Should we even care if muffs are present or not present on rollers. What have we become? Makes you want to run away from here, don't it?!
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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TimP
190 posts
Sep 30, 2009
11:55 AM
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BigWilly, just to answer your question Thurmond Davis from Inglewood,CA has some nice birds that throw a good percentage of muffs. And their air tested. If your down this way next year come out on a Out Law club fly.
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jerrylynn
52 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:32 PM
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Hello Glenn, Paul and all other roller people!
I was given my start by Frank Lavin back in the late 60's and I bred alot of good muffed rollers from the stock that Frank had. Anyone framiliar with 3807, 3821.His stock was as pure Pensom and JLS as anyone would ever have had the chance to have. He gave me the old 1353 cock, pure JLS when I moved to San Diego in the early 70's. I took care of Frank's birds every year when he and Artie would go on vacation. I never expected anything for doing it but he always sent me back home with an outstanding bird for taking care of them.If that you are looking in Frank thanks for the many years of enjoyment I got from the rollers you are a true friend. .
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pisto
167 posts
Oct 01, 2009
9:57 AM
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this is an 08 red muff. my cousin Ernie bred this, it turned out to do 30' to 40'
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