Velo99
2184 posts
Oct 29, 2009
12:42 PM
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Gee, there are several avenues to take here and a couple of subjects I would like to touch on so here goes.
The "gobbling up" of a winners spare birds for big bux is the payoff of winning a fly or placing well in a fly.
At this time one can jump on the band wagon and scan his peds(theres those damn peds again)for that line of birds or related birds or he can keep on doing what he is doing. Seems kinda funny in the spring everyone is gonna kick ass with the birds they breed this year.
As soon as the WC is over guys are talking about how many birds they have from the winners background or they know someone with some and are gonna try to get a few. This is usually pretty soon into the breeding season after we spent the winter figuring out what pairs to breed. Does this make one a better breeder because he has someone elses birds in his loft?
Seems to me it makes us indecisive or a bandwagoneer. Could it just be braggin rights at someone elses expense?
OK Clubs and flys
Clubs and flys are the glue that hold the WC and NBRC together. Some regions are a lot more serious about competition than others. Some regions are just glad to be flying. I think the regions who are just glad to be flying are a lot less likely to display the unseemly bashing and backstabbing of the of the flyers in that region. Any perceived threat is a reason to be defensive and pull out the stops by some flyers and groups of flyers. Those threats can come in any form from a better breeding percentage to less BOP attacks.
Personally I feel a lot of regions use the flys just as an excuse to get together. A club is supposed to support its members and the members support the club. We`re all on the same team.
I remember in one of my first flys the judge was rooting for my birds!!
"Cmon give me another one I know you have it in you!"
"OHHHH! Just one more bird rolling wouldve been a 15!"
Cmon birds time is running out show me whatcha got!!" Wow that was a good one in this wind." I was kinda freaked out by this and then I realised just what I was a part of.
Morose comments and negativity dont help the situation and shouldnt be included in any part of a fly except by the flyer whose kit just bombed. I can tell you about that for sure. Its not a good feeling. When I look back at the last few minutes of the fly and get past my own shortcomings I realise... WE`RE HAVING A GOOD TIME!!! My friends are there patting me on the back and telling me theres always next time. Or the ever famous,"Wait til we get to my house my birds are gonna make yours look great."
Ya know maybe the birds are the glue that hold the friends together. That unique little bird named the roller pigeon can bridge gaps in education income distance and personalities. Thats why we`re all here. If you take everything about the hobby with a grain of salt and continue to place the emphasis on the birds and not each other,everything will come out just fine. Even if it doesnt it will still be a great ride.
Its a hobby.Its supposed to be fun.The more of us that view it that way the better time you`ll have as a roller fancier.
You can go thru life pissed off or happy. Its up to you.
yits
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2111 posts
Oct 29, 2009
1:06 PM
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Good job, Kenny. I see that we agree on our approach to life!
Cliff
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fhtfire
2145 posts
Oct 29, 2009
1:49 PM
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Cliff,
I am not saying that the number of fliers is going down every year for the Championship fly (CF). I am saying that in the future....if we dont start being cool cats and not ripping on every family and flier...we will put the nail in our own coffin...or put the rope around our own necks....the numbers are not going down...but what I have noticed is that the new fliers seem to be a revolving door....meaning...the bottom end of the scores or the new fliers change every years.....the goal is to keep the new fliers and expand our numbers.....
I will take my region 9B...every year the amount of fliers stays about the same...but the 5 or 6 newest fliers seem to be different every year...If I added up the new fliers in my region from 04....to 09......I would have 25 fliers..not 15.....you see.....check out all the regions...there seems to be a pattern.....of course there are the one hit wonders that just try...but like Yoda says...try I will Not......Do I will........it seems we have a lot of trys and no do's year after year.....
I always try and keep my ear to the ground and it appears that most get upset about the bashing of each other and say forget it....not just the bashing of the new fliers or the backyard fliers that throw there hat in the ring....they also get frustrated by the the so called top fliers who bash there fellow fliers....or there peers....and that is horrible.....
I have been in the livestock show area as well as athletics, and car shows ect.....and I will tell you this....I have never seen people bash each other more the roller pigeon guys....and it just does not make sense.....I have show goats that are worth more then my whole loft, Steer and Bulls that are worth more then my house.....show cars that are 100,000 plus and we all get along just fine....compliments are everyewhere....Nice Car man....like what you did with the lines.....beautiful goat......nice fore and rear udder attachment.....etc etc....here in our world....nice kit of birds.....congrats on the fly...fast forward two months later.......Went by Pauls...his birds showed me nothing....they are a bunch of crosses.....The RUby Rollers suck......unproven birds....and on and on.....all of a sudden...I am defending myself for winning....SUCKS....should NEVER be that way......Never had to defend myself..standing on a wrestling podium, or after I won best in class car show....or MVP of the football game....Grand Champion Dairy Goat.....never had to go back and defend myself....
I cant explain it...but many of the top fliers..who are godlike...are the ones talking the most crap....I had a top flier tell me once..."Paul...I was rooting against you all these years.....just so that Tony would not get any credit"....that is the type of comments I am talking about......why even say that....you root for failure by one to attack another.....I was not raised that way....You give credit where credit is due...and like I told my 10 year old...if you dont have something nice to say...dont say anything at all...people have feelings and sometimes 10 years old for get that....but I think 40 and 50 year olds do to......basically...dont YUK! on my YUM!!...meaning....if I say YUM>....you dont have to say YUK!!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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George R.
130 posts
Oct 29, 2009
1:59 PM
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Paul said .....I have show goats that are worth more then my whole loft, Steer and Bulls that are worth more then my house.....show cars that are 100,000 plus and we all get along just fine...
here in our world....nice kit of birds.....congrats on the fly...fast forward two months later.......Went by Pauls...his birds showed me nothing....they are a bunch of crosses.....The RUby Rollers suck......unproven birds....and on and on.....all of a sudden...I am defending myself for winning....SUCKS....should NEVER be that way..
That not right Paul ...Man with friends like that you dont need no enemys.....
Paul it dont matter what people say you have everything Most Men would want here on earth fast Cars , money, good job, ETC
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George Ruiz
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2112 posts
Oct 29, 2009
2:10 PM
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Paul,
I don't believe that the roller hobby has a corner on the market when it comes to this negative stuff. It is the human condition. I have seen it and heard others complain of it in every walk of life where human beings interact.....other hobbies, like racing homers, dogs, horses....and then even in churches...and blue collar occupations like plumbers and carpernters who bad mouth the work done by their competitors.......and then even the professions, where doctors and dentists bad mouth the diagnoses and work performed by other professionals. It is all about self-righteousness, fragile egos, and the road that some individuals are willing to take to attempt to make themselves look good by putting others down. They are stroking their own fragile egos. It is basic human insecurity. Those that are the worst critics are the most insecure and have the worst inferiority complexes. And it functions in degrees from one extreme of the saints among us who refuse to participate on that level at all, to the other end of the spectrum where some people are just not any fun to be around because they are so critical of others, (and you know that when they leave your presence, you will be next on their chopping block.) And we all function somewhere in-between, depending on the situation and how we are feeling about ourselves on any given day. None of us are perfect. I don't think we can ever change it as a human dynamic. We can only choose to refuse to participate in it or listen to it, as individuals, when we see it....and keep pushing to get the REAL FACTS out there in the face of the bullshit that we identify, when it comes up....and call people out when their ethics and morals are way out of line. For example, I think Tony tries to walk that line with regard to this site.....Sorry for rambling on, guys....
Cliff
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George R.
131 posts
Oct 29, 2009
2:18 PM
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Cliff you are right ,I think some of the biggest problems in the world are Greed and Envy. Just look at the newspaper headlines crooked politicians,Wall street crooks, Executives taking down massive Bonuses when the Company is losing money.
The roller hobby is not immune from envy greed selfishness,hatred, racism, favortism,ETC.
I am not sure if any part of this World we live in is immune to those sinful ways.
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George Ruiz
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fhtfire
2146 posts
Oct 29, 2009
2:56 PM
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Cliff,
I understand the human behavior thing...and everyone has to walk on another to get to the top...or should I say...have someone fall down and you step on there back to get to the top....that I know is human nature....but it can be changed .....saying its human nature is not an excuse.....dont get me wrong envy is a deadly sin...one of the 7.....but that can be changed.....I mean...its fine to talk crap to a buddy or what have you..or you are hanging with a bunch of peers...you may say XYZ....but saying it to the new guys or in front of the new guys is the problem...most old timers or guys like you and I....are already set in stone.....we are not going anywhere..but when the new guys are just that...NEW>..they are impressionable....and what you say is gospel......I do that with my new firefighters...when they are new and on probation...I make it loud and clear that my older firefighters......are to by no means...bash the job or the Department in front of the new guys....they can make there own decisions based on what they see and not what another person is trying to make them see....make sense...
It just seems...nobody has any hair on the sack anymore.....if someone is ripping another guys birds or another fancier in front of me...I have no problem....agreeing with them on certain things...but when it comes to ripping...I will say it out in the open...that person is a friend of mine.....and you dont need to bash them in front of me....trust me....the yappers gets shut right there......my thing is...that there is no need for it. As far as fragile Egos......those are the ones that are usually new...and something that is fragile you handle with white gloves......not kick it around with work boots....that is our problem.....the ones we should be treating with white gloves...we do not. Attitudes can be changed...you stop it by not letting the bad attitude thrive.....or even helping the situation....most dont like to talk by themselves....of course I can...LOL
Anyway...the whole point is this...the wedge that is betweeen the backyard and comp guys needs to be removed....PERIOD!!
again....human nature is not an excuse......we are only responsible for our own actions and are only in control of us.....so if you dont give others (assholes) fuel...they cant start the fire!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2147 posts
Oct 29, 2009
3:02 PM
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George....most that were talking shit..are NOT my friends...and if they were..they would no longer be...they were basically just thugs talking shit.....but none of them that were talking crap....offered to fly against me.....why...because they were just talking...the ones at the top that dont talk smack or challenge everyone to a dual is the true Champion.....the ones that keep there negative comments to themselves and let the birds do the talking are the true fanciers..and the ones that could care less about comp and hang out for the love of the birds is the true meaning of the NBRC and the sport.
As far as fast cars, job etc.....that is all mechanical my friend....its worthless...they dont feel...now my wife, kids and my fellow man are what it is all about!!!.....to be honest.....I have seen so much death in my job and I have pulled life from deaths clutches......and that makes me live everyday like my last....so I have the cars and the fun etc....but that is because I love to live life to the fullest.....but I will say this....if many of the bashers have see what my eyes have seen and how fragile life is.....you will look at life as an honor and not waste it being mean or Envious......you will be happy!
rock and ROLL
Paul
The big picture is what everyone should look at!!
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Phantom1
233 posts
Oct 29, 2009
3:02 PM
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Cliff,
You may disagree with my statement, but you validated exactly the point I was making. What's the saying in the sales world? When sales are good, it's really good, but when they're bad, life is REALLY bad. There's no middle of the street, and there doesn't appear to be that way with these birds in this current time and place.
I don't know if I should be apologizing for the way I feel, or apologizing to the entire pigeon hobby for the way roller folks (in general) perpetuate this stuff. Fact of the matter is, if a person doesn't compete, they're under someone else's radar. Now I don't know if that's due to the non-competitor actually having good or better birds than the active competitor doing the complaining. If it's a matter of the competitive flyer seeing someone that has a good enough kit of birds to be competitive and can't see past the owner's own choice to fly the birds for themself? Is it an over-ambitious person wanting to spread and support the hobby and sport, but falling short by turning the conversation into persecution instead of encouragement?
Just like Kenny said, there are so many avenues to take this particular topic. I've stated at least one reason why I choose to not compete currently. That's just one reason though...on my list. What are others' reasons? Do they need one?
But getting back to my "plastic smile" comment. Perhaps it was wrong, and I definitely did not mean that to be applied to every roller enthusiast (competition flyer or backyard flyer). But you do have to admit that when interest peaks with a certain flyer, competition kit, or family bloodline, out of the woodwork comes a lot of people skipping the "Great Job" and "Congratulations" comments and there they go...straight for the neck. Where did you get them from, where did he get them from, do they go back to this hen, their beaks are too long, they have grouse legs, muffed feet, it smiled funny at me, etc. They just get picked apart! It's quite unnerving to me, and COULD have an impact on why a backyard flyer remains as such. But hey - maybe it's just me!
Thanks,
Eric
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michael salus
71 posts
Oct 29, 2009
3:26 PM
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Boy am I glad I live in the midwest. Is this backstabbing happening on the two coasts. I live in Wis. and I just don't see this kind of behavior in our region... which is #4 . I don't fly in comps. any more , but have. I attend most of the WC and fall flys that the Minn. flyers enter and can honestly say I do not see this behavior. I have been asked why I don't fly, but never been degraded like this... at least not to my face..lol. Being a backyard flyer , I like to see as many birds as possible. It keeps me from getting loft blind and also I get to see some friends. We have to remember this is a hobby to most of us and the reason we raise these birds is because we love them. I agree with Paul, if you don't have something nice to say...SAY NOTHING!!! Most of the time, people who do this bad mouthing have low self-esteem and need some kind of help.. Peace
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MJ
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George R.
132 posts
Oct 29, 2009
3:36 PM
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Paul
I grew up on the streets after my Mom died when I was 13 years old , I was a homeless broke and scared kid , I am living proof that the Lord Jesus exist , I have been shot at 3 times in my life. I seen people get stabbed shot beatup and they are Horrible memorys .I lived with Prostitutes dope dealers gangbangers yet every night when I went to bed even if I was sleeping in a garage or a old car in someones driveway I would always thank the Man upstairs for another day , I could have easily chosen a life of crime but believe it or not those same folks I lived with that took me in they always told me "dont do what I do look at me this shit (drugs) has got me all f...up ".
I have also been blessed by the lord many times he put some great people in my life that showed me that there was more to life then all the misery I seen on the streets of El Monte calif.
I know very well that tommorow is not guaranteed ,I try live every day as it is my last at work people always ask me why I smile so much and I answer 'because I like to" (but only if they really knew why) I am just happy to be here today.
peace to you Paul and keep up the good work, I also work in the public sector and I am blessed to have a Job and be able to serve the people .
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George Ruiz
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fhtfire
2148 posts
Oct 29, 2009
4:01 PM
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Eric,
I know what you mean by plastic smile...I wore it too last year...I placed high in the finals...but I knew how this sport works and I knew it was a matter of time before...the richard heads would come out of the woodwork...and open every crack in the armor and expose my skin and then go in for the kill...but what sucks is when the plastic smile turns into a real frown.....
Its not about thick skin..because I got it....its about the fact that I dont like to be around negativity....it is like cancer and you get sucked in...and help it spread....I will be honest there are times that I just want to say...FO GET IT>>>>but my comp drive will not let me stop...LOL!!...I love this shit....but again....Eric...I know what you are talking about....
ITs like this.....if you are a comp guy...you will stand on your side of the fence and throw rocks and the BY fliers keep getting hit.....why not reach across the fence and shake hands and bullshit about what is meaningful on each side of the fence.
Just keep doing what you are doing..surround yourself with who you like and what you like...and let the bashers argue with themselves....it takes two to tango.....and its really not the same dancing by yourself...enough doors close on the jerk offs..they may get the point
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2149 posts
Oct 29, 2009
4:04 PM
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MJ,
Not all the regions are like this in Cali....actually 9B gets along great and there is NO back stabbing...everyone is really cool and gets along....same goes for 9C the bay area region...they are the twin to our region....good folks and good people.....each region has some studs too..and they are very respectful....Scott C...Joe Urbon, Dwight, Bill C...etc etc....good folks that have been around and lead by example.....9C...Ramsey, Don O., Ronnie Ross, Mike Allen..JJ..Vargas....ect ect...they are all cool cats and the Legend Don O..treats everyone like they were the best flier in the world....that is what it is all about!!
So not all regions are like this...when I talked of the bashing on me...it was pretty much done in chat rooms, internet sites..and just word of mouth....
There are some good ole boys in Cali too....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2150 posts
Oct 29, 2009
4:09 PM
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George R,
It was nice to hear your story and you have a new respect from me for making it in life...true character is not being in the situation its how you handle the situation...and you did it brother and I salute you...
You being one of the old timers yourself....you are like the others that need to lead by example....before we post...or talk..we need to think....is this TRULY how I feel or am I following the herd...you follow the herd..sometimes you get taken to the edge of the cliff..and before you know it...you are already over the edge....and the back of the herd will no let you back out before the edge..they just keep moving foreward....and push you over the edge.....
We all need to take the wedge that is driven between comp and backyard fliers and pull it out....making sure to not put it in somebodies back...but cut it up and use it as a frame...to surround both the comp and backyard guys...now thats a pretty picture.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Phantom1
234 posts
Oct 29, 2009
4:29 PM
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Much respect Paul F...much respect for what you just said. Now you're take on competition encourages me to want to do it! You're one of a handful of people that seem to have it down right.
Thanks!
E
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michael salus
72 posts
Oct 29, 2009
4:32 PM
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Paul, I didn't mean that all the Cali flyers do this and I hope it didn't come across like that and if it did I'm sorry. I'm sure we are talking about a very small percentage of flyer's who do this. I just saw your post and you being in Cal., I ASSumed it was happening there and you were aware of it. Your right about the people you named, there are many,many more good ones than the other. Don O. was here last month and we had a great time. I have a few families and one them is his and also Ruby's. Again I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I was just stating that I haven't seen it in our area. Peace
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MJ
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3443 posts
Oct 29, 2009
5:09 PM
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Paul says You being one of the old timers yourself....you are like the others that need to lead by example....before we post...or talk..we need to think....is this TRULY how I feel or am I following the herd...you follow the herd..sometimes you get taken to the edge of the cliff..and before you know it...you are already over the edge....and the back of the herd will no let you back out before the edge..they just keep moving foreward....and push you over the edge.....
George take heed on those words Paul posted because I too see you as a good guy but need to lead by example.glad you made it out...
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~
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fhtfire
2151 posts
Oct 29, 2009
5:30 PM
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E- Comp is what you make of it.....My best time is getting the birds ready for comp...I SOOOOO enjoy the two weeks out.....prepping....watching the kits...pulling and adding birds....watching them get better or worse.....the day you open the door...it all the birds...you are now out of it....and when they are on....you love it...when they are off..you dust yourself off and get back on the horse!!!.....defeat makes you stronger and try harder......but everyone must realize that there is always a winner and a loser...but putting your hat in the ring makes you a winner.......to be honest...win or lose...I have a great time....To be honest...I like to win..but I dont care if I lose....I scored 0 in the W.C. this past year...but had the best time every....I like hanging with the guys...seeing different kits....having BBQ's....winnning is icing on cake...but Cake tastes damn good without icing!!....anyway....Comp is what you make of it...if you get all wound up and hate losing..DONT DO IT>>>>because these little bastard birds...will make you look like a jack ass...for no reason whatsoever....but if you like pigeon and hanging with the fellas...then do it....like I said...you make your own bed to lay in.....
I used to tell my wrestlers....when I was a coach...you win like a champion and you lose like a champion.....and if you step on the mat....you are a champion...win or lose......postive attitude is what you need...my team was a well oiled machine...and they were ALL respectful.....the first hot head through is head gear after a loss...and I was in his face like flys on shit...and I said..you pick up that head gear....and then shake the other coaches hand, the wrestlers hand, and the refs hand and apologize for your immature outburst....and if you dont do it..you are off the team...and if you do another outburst....you will be running until your soles fall off....guess what....he apologized and did what I said...and guess what...he was the first kid that yelled at the others when they had a bad attitude....anyway....its not about winning or losing....we always focus on the little picture and not the big picture.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2152 posts
Oct 29, 2009
5:31 PM
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MJ...I know what you meant...no big deal brotha...but the truth is it is just a few...but it takes one rotton apple to ruin the whole bushel.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
2153 posts
Oct 29, 2009
5:34 PM
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My post was not really for George Only..Ralph...but to us all....and you have no idea how many times I have changed posts or had to back off.....but we really need to think of the overall picture and of feelings before we post.....nobody like to have something they love like the pigeon hobby...be attacked because of a 25.00 fee they call competition that someone chooses not to pay.....Backyard fliers are NOT beneath a comp guy.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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JEFF WILSON
38 posts
Oct 29, 2009
5:59 PM
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WoW did i start this thread.i didn't know it was such a sore subject.all i said was( WE ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON WE LOVE THE BIRMINGHAM ROLLER.)then someone makes comments back yard flyers don't breed for the true birmingham roller.well i sure don't want to work as hard as i have to set and whatch a bunch of culls fly around.if i wanted that i would go up town and watch the courthouse pigeon's fly for free.they kit pretty good.lol i guess iam pretty lucky i had a man who let me pick several young kit birds out of the sky iam still flying them.he also let me have a pair of birds that he called proven birds i asked about the proven birds when he let me have them he said these are not the kind of birds you give away in fact they are very rare he explained that they where proven in the air and as breeders they had produced some good birds .since this man has judged many many flys ill take his word for it. he said he could tell i was sincere about getting into flying good BR i he has since came to my house a few times and whatched the birds i could tell he was happy the way i had the birds settled and flying and the new one's i had raised .we now talk all the time and watch each others birds fly this is alot about fellowship to in my book. i sure do want to compete but i would be a fool to try this untill iam sure i have done my home work and understand this family and how to manage them .the thing iam trying to point out is i hope we all have the same goals and are trying to improve are birds .remember where all on the same side Jeff
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Phantom1
235 posts
Oct 29, 2009
6:00 PM
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Paul F,
I enjoy competition. I've worked hard in many areas in order to be successful in various areas I've chosen to enter. What I don't enjoy are the things we've been pointing out. The disregard and down-grading of someone that doesn't play the game is enough to keep me out of it. Now, if you ask anyone I know that flies competitively they'll tell you that on more than one ocassion I've said, "I would like to do that someday". But not until the problems and lack of standardized judging is in place. I can put my birds up any day and have a friend over, them give me their two cents, have a beer, and have a few laughs. Until that's present (especially consistent judging) there's no drive for me personally. I can let people's badmouthing and trash talk go with no problem. Yet I would still like to better understand the whole issue and why certain people have a problem. From I've learned so far, it's simply a matter of "poor, poor, pitiful me" and that they have a true need to be judged themselves in order to feel accomplished in this world. And if the next guy doesn't do it to, then that's one less person they know that they're better than. I can see that through this discussion.
Now, I can't help in any way to improve the standard of judging. I can help the trash-talking problem by boycotting the entire thing and giving those in question one less person to jump on. Yet here I sit, in my backyard LOL, and we still have a problem. Should I get rid of rollers altogether? Would that fix the problem? Or would there be legends of the guy that bred colored mutts in 20 years from now? I hope you get what I'm saying in this regard.
Let me know when you're ready to cut some breeders :-)
E
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fhtfire
2154 posts
Oct 29, 2009
6:58 PM
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E,
I am cutting a pair of breeders real soon...Mort Cock and Ruby Hen....I bred them both and flew them out and have flown out the young...anyway..need to make room for the young breeders. paulfullerton@sbcglobal.net
rock and ROLL
Hollywood
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wannaroll
85 posts
Oct 29, 2009
8:08 PM
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For now I'm just a newbie backyard flyer. One of my goals is to compete at a high level. All the competitors I have met in So.Cal. (9G) so far have been great. I hope to stay in this sport for the rest of my life and meet many, many people and learn from all of you guys. I just hope I can return all the favors and help that have been givin to me so far. Thanks!
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
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bman
728 posts
Oct 30, 2009
4:27 AM
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I am new at this comp thing but to be honest the only negativity I have experienced is on this and other forums. In my region I have only seen support and help for all the flyers. In fact I have never heard a negative comment uttered EVER. And if you think you can stand under someone's kit on ONE day and be able to truly evaluate what they have then you are sadly mistaken.----------
Ron
Borderline lofts
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katyroller
619 posts
Oct 30, 2009
4:55 AM
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bman,
I also have never personally experienced any negativity at a fly. We all joke around and rag on each others birds or misfortune but no one ever takes it to a personal level. Unfortunately, the internet gives some a sense of security to make comments that they would never make in person.
Tracey
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Windjammer Loft
989 posts
Oct 30, 2009
7:01 AM
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Like fhtfire stated in his earlier post, the differences in the "terms" comp vs backyarders. I don't understand
"why" people have to bad mouth each other. Win or Lose!!
It reminds me of Dog Show tactics. Outside the ring, everyone is buddy buddy. But, inside the ring your out to backstabe your opposition. Especially if they do "better" then you. I put with that BS of an "attitude" for too many years,like over 20yrs. I stopped competing for that same reason. I "refuse" to get involved with such antics in this hobby. Seeing that we are all in this hobby together, I see "NO" reason for this attitude towards our "so called" brothers/sisters in exist. It just makes me mad as hell to be associated with back stabers like some are..... Enough said, Iam at my boiling point....
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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brudahpete
482 posts
Oct 30, 2009
8:20 AM
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I've raised a lot of birds in my life & have know a few others in the hobby, I find it amazing how some get overheated on this topic. I try to cull my stock about as hard as anybody else so that I can preserve the roll in my family of birds, that's what any normal BR keeper does. what's the point of having the breed if you let the gene die. Comp flyers, hats off to you for ensuring that you are getting the best into the air & hats off to the backyard guys for doing the same. Preservation of this gem of a bird is paramount to all of us fanciers, don't asume that because a guy is a backyard flyer, that his birds are junk. I just don't want to see the breed end up in a show cage for folks to wonder how it used to perform.
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Scott
2593 posts
Oct 30, 2009
6:02 PM
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The pirate and his birds suck eggs LOL
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Scott Campbell
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Scott
2594 posts
Oct 30, 2009
6:07 PM
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If I didn't compete there would be no reason in the world to put in the work I do day in and day out, year after year. Nor would I be doing this marathon that they call the "Nationial Fly" around the country trying to pick the best team of Birmingham Rollers in the United States, there are talkers and there are doers, who would I put my money on ? hmmm.
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Scott Campbell
"It is about testicle fortitude !! "
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XtraDeepRoller
46 posts
Oct 30, 2009
6:11 PM
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Not only that Scott, but the happy pirate needs to learn how to use commas, instead of .... all of the time. No wonder we don't understand half of his posts! LMAO.
X
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katyroller
620 posts
Oct 30, 2009
6:58 PM
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"If I didn't compete there would be no reason in the world to put in the work I do day in and day out, year after year. Nor would I be doing this marathon that they call the "Nationial Fly" around the country trying to pick the best team of Birmingham Rollers in the United States, there are talkers and there are doers, who would I put my money on ? hmmm." Scott
Scott,
So if I understand you right, you are doing it for something other than the birds? What could that be? The desire to be the center of attention? The need to be able to write anything on a forum and have a group of followers that blindly support anything you say? Sir, I always thought you were for the birds!LOL
Tracey
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t-rolla67
11 posts
Oct 30, 2009
7:26 PM
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i agree jeff, many of these guys i know have these expensive pigeons and when you see them fly i expect to see some super perfomance. NOT. i have birds that do more and better. but thats my opinion, then again i dont have the big names. also many of the guys are like their biased if you dont have the names. i believe that if one starts on the "top" the only way to go is down.
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fhtfire
2173 posts
Oct 30, 2009
11:29 PM
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Hey X.....................................that ..........is why.........I put the dots.........because that.........is how my brain works...............the dots.......are when you totally switch thoughts.............or you are typing like you are talking..................and here is your freak'n comma, the end.
rock and ROLL
Paul
LOL>>>>LOL>>>>
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
548 posts
Oct 31, 2009
3:27 PM
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Tracey, you wrote:
Scott,
So if I understand you right, you are doing it for something other than the birds? What could that be? The desire to be the center of attention? The need to be able to write anything on a forum and have a group of followers that blindly support anything you say? Sir, I always thought you were for the birds!LOL
I won't presume to speak for Scott but knowing him I am sure he does what he does for the good of the hobby and his desire to be at the top of the game.
We are all backyard flyers, some choose to compete at various levels but that makes them no better or worse than those who do not compete. Whether you choose to compete or not, you must set goals to move your birds forward for the pleasure of seeing improvement in your strain or family. Some try to measure their success in this endeavor by competing their birds against other's birds. We all do it for the enjoyment of the birds and the other people in the hobby that we would probably never meet if were not for the birds.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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katyroller
622 posts
Oct 31, 2009
7:23 PM
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Joe,
You and I share the same opinion on comp flying and back yard fliers. Read my posts and you will see what I am saying. Go back to what Scott wrote and you can easily see who he supports.
"If I didn't compete there would be no reason in the world to put in the work I do day in and day out, year after year."
Why? Why not do it for the good of the breed? I have tried to convince Scott and others, for several years now that there are backyard fliers who work on their birds just as hard as any comp flier. The only difference is they don't compete.
Dedication to breeding the best BR's possible is what moves the hobby forward not whether or not someone is a comp flier or a backyard flier.
Tracey
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rollerpigeon1963
294 posts
Nov 02, 2009
7:16 PM
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Hey Ron,
Glad to see your post on here being in the same region as yourself. I always wanted to support anyone in this region of ours. Its just the same way I have been treated myself for the past 15 years. I love this region of ours because you can count on anyone in it. I myself can't say I have heard anything negative about anyone in it. Just like when we came up and judged your birds. You had a great team of birds and they really put on a show. But you didn't hear anyone saying you messed up. I been a comp flier and a backyard flier, what I mean I have flown in comps but here lately I been a backyard flier. I enjoy the bird so much I really don't care if I do fly. But since the divorce I haven't had any help with the birds and they are suffering because of it. Traveling around to keep a job to pay the bills makes it hard to care for the birds like they should be. I been thinking of getting rid of everything but 8 pairs. I can take these with me and put them in my beagle box and feed and water them like they should be.
So in our region being a comp guy or a backyard you still have the respect of the others in it. I remember when you yourself started to get birds. You were asking questions and getting feed back from all sorts of people. And there is others on this site that is in our region who I have a lot of respect for. I met a few of them on different fly's. Just a bunch of good guys that will talk to you in a manner in which wont make you feel like you are lower then they are.
I wish I would have been able to see your birds this past fall fly. But with moving to job to job it makes it rough on everything. I just wish things could be a little easier right now. With the traveling and the holidays. It makes it hard to keep a straight mind on your job.
So Ron take care and hope I can make it back up that way and see your birds again.
Your good friend Brian Middaugh
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bman
729 posts
Nov 03, 2009
5:09 AM
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Brian,great to hear from you. I hope everything is going good for you. You didn't miss much in the NCF.
I messed up on the feed can and they were pretty stiff along with a little BOP troubles. Your right this region and everyone in it is very supportive. Even though I tanked the fly you judged your comments were engouraging. I stocke eight birds out of that kit so the 09's will have to step up and fill in the gaps. Really hope you can make it up this spring.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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