Velo99
2277 posts
Jan 27, 2010
4:03 PM
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Why in the world are you feeding the BOP? Breeding 700 birds to feed the hawks is simply ludicrous. Guys like you are the reason they dont go away.
FREE FOOD HERE!!!!
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Tony Chavarria
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3869 posts
Jan 27, 2010
4:15 PM
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Robert, with all due respect, 700 birds???????? You have gotta be kidding! Sir, please seriously reconsider flying rollers. This may be considered borderline animal cruelty. Please STOP...please!
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donnie james
904 posts
Jan 27, 2010
4:42 PM
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hay robert,
why don't you smarter and stop flying your birds and feeding the bops like tony said "this may be borderline cruetly "Pease Stop...........Please!"
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Donny James
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"Keep Your Head Planted In The Sky And Wings Spanned Wide"
1996 Piedmont Roller Club Lifetime Achievement Recipient
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Scott Coe
38 posts
Jan 27, 2010
4:46 PM
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I lose 6 or 7 birds to BOP a year. I feel this is to much. Excuse me for saying you have to be crazy. Don't get me wrong to manage that many birds would take me two days. There are only so many hours in a day.
Not to include the cost of feed!
Its all about flying not feeding a upset balance in mother nature.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2927 posts
Jan 27, 2010
4:58 PM
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I breed for quality not quantity...
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Robert Pelham
15 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:07 PM
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ALL RESPECT BUT YOU ARE IN SO CAL.They are herre for about 10 mounths.I am not flying my hold overs. I started trianing 45 two weeks ago I am dow to 37. Now its time to keep up with me. You have to put big # to do good in April.I wish it was not so hard here.it is what it is.Jerry & Abla breed big # TELL THEM TO SLOW DOWN !! Much respect Robert
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Robert Pelham
16 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:16 PM
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I would not breed for anything less you do not what have at the end year .so you have to breed best you can!!!
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birdman
784 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:19 PM
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Why would they ever want to leave with all those easy meals ?
If you're losing 4 birds per week right now you're not going to have any of those young left to fly in April anyway.
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Robert Pelham
17 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:28 PM
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The kits first time out was two weeks ago you always lose a few to getting lost are driven away by the hawks.but I have fed some to the pigeon gods. You really have no clue!!
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Bill from NJ
97 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:32 PM
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Mr. Pelham,
I too have a serious BOP problem.
I learned that if you decrease the number of your flyers in the air it helps decrease the BOP attacks.
You may be training the BOP to visit due to putting large numbers up at one time.
Just trying to help.
Wish you all the best.
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Tony Chavarria
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3871 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:52 PM
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For the record, I am against this kind of flying and recommend against it. I hear stamp collecting can be a great hobby.
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria
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lew3015
76 posts
Jan 27, 2010
5:55 PM
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Mr. Pelham, what was your original post suppose to tell us, please clarify, it sounds like your complaining about the numbers you are raising, or is it have to raise. Doing the math, pigeon feed in cali must be pretty cheep.
Lew
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Robert Pelham
18 posts
Jan 27, 2010
6:25 PM
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I breed Rollers to fly them.not to look at them in a cage! Yes I pay own feed bill.most of my stock has been pick out of thr air over the last 15 years.that the only I know.I wish I only had to breed 10 pairs!!!
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katyroller
703 posts
Jan 27, 2010
7:05 PM
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If my BOP problem was that bad I would consider locking down for a year. By continuing to fly you are only making your situation worse. How in the world do you find the time to fly that many birds?
Tracey
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lew3015
80 posts
Jan 27, 2010
7:11 PM
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Another question Mr. Pelham, are you in the city or out in the country, away from other homes and people? Are you near woods or open areas? Just trying to get a feel for what your up against when flying.
Lew
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Robert Pelham
19 posts
Jan 27, 2010
8:45 PM
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I am on a 1 acer lot just outside of LA. Most of are foothills have burned over the 10 years. I have been back into birds for last 18 years.I started working out of yard for last 2 years.making cages and other wood work so I can pay atention to my birds.have a lot of indivduals to build.even if I stop there be other that will still fly there birds.
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TheGame
684 posts
Jan 27, 2010
8:51 PM
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Must be expensive to raise and feed 700 birds :x
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Robert Pelham
20 posts
Jan 27, 2010
9:10 PM
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Its not that bad.I am sending some birds to a old friend Kieth Johncox in N/Y In the spring a team of Yellows & Reds he said he only has hawks for 2 months, I hope he can fly them WC fly 2011.we will see.I have to do what I do.
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wannaroll
122 posts
Jan 27, 2010
10:20 PM
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Robert what town do you live in?
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
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Robert Pelham
21 posts
Jan 28, 2010
12:04 AM
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The one & only Pomona Ca.cant stop me now!!
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lew3015
81 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:15 AM
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Robert do your young birds even have a chance to come into their roll before the hawks get them?
Would you raise as many if they weren't being eaten?
Lew
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Buck
18 posts
Jan 28, 2010
8:15 AM
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Hey Robert
According to Your Myspace Profile , Your 14 yrs old ? :)
Buck
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pat66
464 posts
Jan 28, 2010
9:18 AM
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If I had to raise and feed that many just to fly a kit I would change to a hawk evading bird! I raise between 20-30 a year in rollers and I have to lockdown from November till April
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Pat
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J_Star
2248 posts
Jan 28, 2010
10:03 AM
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I don't think he is serious. He is just playing you all.
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3872 posts
Jan 28, 2010
10:19 AM
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I checked out his profile and followed it to his myspace profile. He claims he is 14 years old but he states here that he has been "back into birds" for the last 18 years. Must be a product of public schools! LOL
Perhaps Ed Newcomer is reading this and will pay him a visit? LOL
Thanks for the heads-up Jay and Buck!
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Tony Chavarria
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katyroller
705 posts
Jan 28, 2010
10:59 AM
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Man, things are tough when folks can track down who/what you are! Imagine what could happen if you came on here running your mouth and pissing folks off..
Tracey
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Robert Pelham
22 posts
Jan 28, 2010
1:11 PM
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WOW Tony what a cheap shot!!Maybe I should stop.and start stamp collecting.like Sal.but I wont I flew 3 teams today not one lost and put 2 more young teams for the first time.I have always had a lot of birds.When I was in the CRS in the 80s.I had about 250 birds flying about 180 of them.If you train using dropers you can pull them down fast.you wacth your birds and you keep the smarter ones.Tony kmba,Much Respect!!!
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Windjammer Loft
1055 posts
Jan 28, 2010
1:18 PM
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Ha Ha Ha... you guys "don't" really want to hear what I have to say to this so called guy or kid.... how ever old he is.... I might be the cause of the site to shut down...LOL
This thread did give me a laugh though....
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3874 posts
Jan 28, 2010
1:38 PM
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LOL Robert, so come clean. I am more confused than ever about if you are 14 or 140? Are you losing hundreds of birds to the bop or not?
And...no cheap shots, stamp collecting is a suggestion to keep so many rollers from ending up soup and don't feel too bad about being a product of public schools because I am too. LOL
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Tony Chavarria
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Robert Pelham
23 posts
Jan 28, 2010
4:10 PM
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I stocked a lot of good ones over the last 2 years.and George & Tony you know Iam over 45.& windjammer go to rollerworld.ning.com.and check out the birds on my page.p.s.you can talk all the bs you want on there.bring it on!!!
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
493 posts
Jan 28, 2010
6:52 PM
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Lets see some pictures of your set up.
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warpspeed
117 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:11 PM
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tony chavarria robert pelham is not a fake i have known him since 1990 he was in the cprc back them he built my individuals and some of my kit boxes. he has been around along time and has had good birds. hell at one time he was the proud owner of Rustys full brother. All you guys that say dont feed the hawks come up with a solution dont critisize its a way of the sport now deal with it like we do here in southern california day by day. you cant win flys staring at birds in show cages or internet flying. It is a performance breed you have to be in it to WIN it.
abel ibarra
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Robert Pelham
24 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:11 PM
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I will take some photos of my pensoms from Richard Espinoza Van Copple.and my Dave Sanchez birds & Homer birds. And my individuals and lofts and my kit boxxes.I have a lot of pigeon sh t.Much Respect .Robert
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spanky
893 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:24 PM
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SOME OF YOU GUYS HERE ARE FULL OF SHIT, ROBERT PELHAM IS NO KID HES MY FREIND I ALSO LIVE HERE IN POMONA AND I LOSE SO MANY BIRDS HERE TO. I BREED LIKE 200 BIRDS A YEAR AND ONLY GOT LIKE 40 LEFT. I FLY W/C AND F/F. WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO JUST GET IN THE INTERNET AND TALK SMACK. YOU GUYS DONT KNOW THIS MAN.STOP ALL THE KID SHIT
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3879 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:39 PM
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Hey abel, we have discussed solutions galore on the site for what to do about bop problems. They appear to have worked for many, but not all. Everyone's situation is different.
Don't you think the mentality that ignores the intentional massacre of literally hundreds of roller pigeons each year by a single fancier in order to participate in competition is extreme? I do.
How does anyone know that there is not a sting operation going on right now and the Feds (Operation High Roller ring any bells?) are ready to pounce on such behavior?
I'm calling for an end to that madness in the name of competition. We as roller fanciers should police ourselves and not wait for some governmental agency to find reason to condemn all roller fanciers for the actions of a few. We've all been to that BBQ.
Remember, Robert brought up that he goes through 700 birds. I think it is simply shocking to me that someone is breeding up 700 birds to give up to the bop god. Have we lost our minds on this one?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3880 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:42 PM
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Hey spanky, expressing concerns over this is not being full of shit. Knowing him has nothing to do with it. He publicly announces he is breeding 700 birds to keep up with losses in order to fly comp? I don't get it.
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Tony Chavarria
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Robert Pelham
25 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:44 PM
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RIGHT ON I CAN DO WHAT I DO.I have lot good ways on how to train by using droppers.your birds will get smarter.I am also been in touch with fish & game on a way to deal with the hawks that is ok with them but like anything it takes $ I hope to have it out in a few years.we see.MUCH RESPECT ! Robert PELHAM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3881 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:46 PM
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Here is Roberts profile link to his webpage:
Click Here
His page says he is 14 years old. Who's full of it?
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Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3882 posts
Jan 28, 2010
7:49 PM
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Hey Robert, if you got things worked out, good for you. If you want me to remove this entire thread, let me know. Doesn't change how I feel about it.
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Tony Chavarria
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1176 posts
Jan 28, 2010
8:02 PM
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Robert,
You are in a losing situation in here if you know what I mean.
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Robert Pelham
26 posts
Jan 28, 2010
8:05 PM
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YOU REALY THINK I AM 14 LOOK AT THE PHOTOS DUDE I TALKED TO YOU ON THE PHONE I AM THE LEAD SINGER AND BASS PLAYER FOR THE SYMON MAGUS BAND I WILL CHANGE THE AGE NEXT WEEK YOU DID NOT GET IT I STOCKED A LOT OF BIRDS LAST YEAR.I KNOW HOW TO TRAIN MY BIRDS WITH DROPPERS. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF BIRDS.I GOT RID OF MY WEST AND HOMERS SO I HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO BREED MY ROLLERS
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Robert Pelham
27 posts
Jan 28, 2010
8:29 PM
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HAY TONY DID YOU TAKE GOOD LOOK AT CLIFF BURTON OF METALLICAS BASS IT ON THE PHOTO SLIDE ALSO CHECK OUT WOLFHOUSE PERDUCTION KIRKS BRO I AM WORKING WITH THEM.MUCH RESPECT .ROBERT
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3883 posts
Jan 28, 2010
8:51 PM
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Hey George, I don't think anyone is telling Robert what to do in his backyard. I am saying it is SHOCKING to be losing so many birds to bop in order to fly comp.
I am also saying take a look at the bigger picture, it is bigger than his backyard. Or doesn't Operation Highroller mean anything to anyone anymore?
Apparently you feel free to do as you please, ask the guys busted in the OHR what they think, they were in their backyards too. We are not as free as you think.
Try not paying property taxes and see who doesn't come charging through the front door with guns drawn. That's right the militarized police.
Robert, I remember speaking with you now. If I didn't remember you before, its because I speak to allot of pigeon people. Please accept my apology.
I pressed the links on your page they do not work, only for signed in members.
Dude, don't let bravado get you in dutch man. That's all I'm saying about it.
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Tony Chavarria
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spanky
894 posts
Jan 28, 2010
9:06 PM
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2 YEARS AGO I LOST 18 BIRDS IN 1 WEEK TRYING TO GET THEM READY FOR THE F/F FINALS. LAST YEAR I LOST 4 BIRDS OUT OF MY A TEAM THE DAY I FLEW MY KIT IN THE F/F FINALS. YEAH WE GOT IT BAD OVER HER AND YET WE STILL PUT UP A GOOD KIT.......
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cv rollers
531 posts
Jan 28, 2010
9:16 PM
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Its a caili thing these people don't get it SPANKY,i've been to Roberts pad ,he does have alot of good birds and a real nice guy,feds police,fish&game ??If ur not doing any thing wrong u dont have any thing to worry about,there only human with a badge....JMO
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Bill C
478 posts
Jan 28, 2010
9:25 PM
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You do have integrity Tony, you could have put in a hot tub just selling him bands. LOL Bill C
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Joe Valdivia
17 posts
Jan 28, 2010
9:46 PM
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I still consider myself a novice in this hobby but i do agree that the hawks here in so cal are relentless, i've had a few coopers hawk's enter my garage through open windows in search of my birds a few times now. you could imagine how freaky it is to go into your garage to get feed only to find a big coopers with open wings hissing at you. but back to the point, Ca is meant to burn, the ecosystem here won't cycle right if it doesn't occasionally burn. I hate to say it but as roller hobbyist we brought this hawk problem onto ourselves. Everyone complains about the hawk problem and i hear about a lot of people who try to get the government involved to do something about the growing bop numbers; but when it comes down to it, this hawk problem is our fault. We need to be a bit more responsible when it comes to flying our birds because it is us who are keeping the bop well fed and thriving. I wouldn't be surprised if restrictions were put on the amount of birds we can breed a year because we are seriously messing up the ecosystem by enabling an apex predator to overpopulate. I am all about this hobby and wish everyone success, but i think you should really consider how much damage you are doing, in the long run, by breeding and losing hundreds of birds a year. I don't mean to sound like a tree hugging hippie here, but there is more to this hobby that most people fail to realize.
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BA Rollers
316 posts
Jan 28, 2010
11:00 PM
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Tony - I don't see anywhere in this thread that has anything to do with OHR. I'm curious why you keep bringing it up?
Joe - I believe your opinion is overly strong in the concept that flying rollers keeps the BOP fed and overpopulated. There are so many birds that live here in SoCal year-round or winter here, if everyone stopped flying you wouldn't see much if any change in the number of accipiters and falcons. I guarantee it. The Eurasion Collered Dove has set up shop in SoCal over the past five years and have multiplied to the point they don't migrate either. They are quite numerous pretty much everywhere here. And they are a prized target for accipiters, along with the mourning doves, starlings and sparrows that can be seen in pretty much every backyard. I've seen more wild birds here this year than I can ever remember. Many of which didn't appear to migrate away such as the Western Kingbird, Western Scrub Jay and Black Phoebe. As a hunter, I can tell you that every year I am in the field dove hunting I see lots of coopers which given my experience can associate their presence to the doves both of us are pursuing. There are accipiters that live in my neighborhood, but they aren't clinging to the wire trying to get a meal or even messing with my free range OEGBs. They don't need to because there is a huge abundance of natural prey in this geographic environment. If given the chance to pursue liberated rollers, accipiters seize that opportunity if it exists.
It can be agreed that a person can sustain a local BOP, but in the greater scheme those isolated cases have little impact on the greater numbers.
As for Robert wanting to breed and fly 700 rollers. That's his choice. While I don't think its something I would do, it is his choice and his feed bill. I am thankfull that I have show breeds to enjoy during this time when I can't fly my rollers.
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Tony Chavarria
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3884 posts
Jan 29, 2010
6:15 AM
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Hey Brian, here is my concern, that what we have here is perhaps the makings of another OHR. How did the mentality evolve among roller breeders that it was justified to trap and kill bop on their own property? When those who felt justified did it, what made them stop? Who now in the roller hobby would willfully trap and kill bop?
Do you think those who paid hefty fines and had their names and pictures on TV, if they had a chance to do it all over again, they would never trap or kill a bop? If someone would have cautioned and educated them to the potential fines and public humiliation, would they still have chosen it?
On a micro level, I agree that the informed choice best belongs to each individual. But, how many would make that same choice if they considered the possible financial cost and/or brought the wife into the decision making process: “honey, this particular activity might be considered borderline illegal by some law enforcement agencies and we could be faced with jail time, hefty fines to the tune of several thousands of dollars if the authorities decided to come down on this, but damn it honey, this is our backyard, these are my birds…”
If you and your wife are making an informed choice, do what trips your trigger. When the authorities clamp down on such activity as being animal cruelty or abuse, and they will eventually (they have to in order to justify the militarization of the local police and animal control authorities), they will pay the price with the full prior knowledge of the potential consequences of that choice.
On a macro level, we as roller fanciers, have a broader responsibility to inform and educate our fellow fanciers to avoid the sort of choices that could harm not just them but bring negative publicity onto the hobby in general.
Brian, you or anybody else don’t have to agree with my logic or position, I did my part to create awareness where apparently there is little; if any roller fancier wants to continue sacrificing his rollers to the bop to the tune of hundreds each year, then at least he is making an informed choice.
Now, I did not even touch on the ethics and morality of an individual knowingly feeding hundreds of roller pigeons to bop.
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Tony Chavarria
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nickeless
5 posts
Jan 29, 2010
8:04 AM
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Robert
howm many kits do you fly and how many birds do you fly in each kit?
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