rust never sleeps
29 posts
Mar 16, 2006
7:20 PM
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Jim. hello i understand your CRYPTIC messages and meanings.Please can you inlighten me on other world affairs other than "pigeons" must go now there turning off The lights now.Yours truly THE UNA-BOMBER THEODORE KACZYNSKI.
Last Edited by rust never sleeps on Mar 16, 2006 7:30 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
526 posts
Mar 16, 2006
7:40 PM
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Hello All, I made the decision to remove "Jim" from the forum. It appeared rather than contribute anything useful, his posts appeared to me to be antagonistic and childish; thereby violating the community standards of this community as setforth in the Posting Policy.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by Tony Chavarria on Mar 16, 2006 7:58 PM
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motherlodelofts
650 posts
Mar 16, 2006
7:46 PM
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Tony I thought his name was Jim ?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
527 posts
Mar 16, 2006
7:58 PM
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DOH!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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motherlodelofts
651 posts
Mar 16, 2006
8:05 PM
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Aren't you being "censerious" LOL LOL
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Mar 16, 2006 8:08 PM
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J_Star
299 posts
Mar 17, 2006
4:41 AM
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Tony, I kind was waiting for you to make that decision. Sorry to see somebody gets yanked out of this site, but sometimes it is the best for all of us. he had his chance to correct his style, but didn't. Thanks Tony.
Jay
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rollerpigeon1963
72 posts
Mar 17, 2006
5:27 AM
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Tony,
Jim might have a different view than us. Why remove him from the list? kinda like others not allowing some to join there group. And his topics were of rollers and he didn't like the W/C fly and did like the 11 bird fly. And the best of all he didn't like Scott LOL LOL
Just Kidding!!!!
Just my opinion
Brian Middaugh
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Velo99
265 posts
Mar 17, 2006
5:45 AM
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Tony ,
Invite him back, We need diversity and Jim is about as diverse as one can get.
Kenny H
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Fr.mike
99 posts
Mar 17, 2006
6:03 AM
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Just when I was at a major breakthrew in deciphering the rozeta stone code you yanked him My o My !Hey Tony have him back -He was like a chili pepper in the stew I promise not to bug him about the hieroglyphics.Lol !
Fr.mike
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Ballrollers
305 posts
Mar 17, 2006
6:14 AM
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Yeah, Mike. You were REAL close! LOL! I can't see where the guy was really and sincerely trying to make a contribution. He was just going back into old posts and trying to open old wounds, and playing at being incomprehensible in the process. I think that, in order for a man to contribue to this forum, a basic understanding of the Engliush language is a must! LOL! That's pretty simple, don't you think?
YITS, Cliff
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Velo99
267 posts
Mar 17, 2006
6:31 AM
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Hey Cliff,
I didn`t know you were a mysogynist(sp). So now ya gotta be male and demonstrate a mastery of the english language to be a member of the site? What if Jim is doing the best he can with a limited knowledge of the english language? What if he has a debilitating condition whch prevents him from typing properly? What if he is just a freak trying to stir shit? Just shakin your tree bro. lmao
YITS
KennyH
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661roller
10 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:18 AM
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My guess (and hope) is that Tony contacted "Jim" about all this before mking his decision. When we register we give an email address so Tony probably went private with him and then made the decision.
Jim (almost makes me want to change my name! LOL)
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motherlodelofts
653 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:40 AM
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I kinda liked his style !!!! I was just getting an idea what he was "trying" to say I think , was he trying to tell us Axel Rollers were supreme ?
Scott
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C.J.
48 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:53 AM
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Well Tony tough decision. You had to do what you thought was best.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
531 posts
Mar 17, 2006
8:03 AM
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Hey Jim, I considered a number of things, from addressing him on the forum to emailing in person.
From his posts and people asking him for clarification of same, he never responded to one that I recall. I came to the conclusion based on what I observed that he was simply and intentionally abusing the forum and the posters and playing with everyones mind and good intentions.
I made the call to remove him. If he wants to contact me about the decision and appeal it, I am not hard to find.
But he won't, he will go elsewhere and complain and disparage me and the site to others that share his opinion and they will have a good giggle over it at our expense.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Bundee
9 posts
Mar 17, 2006
11:02 AM
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I think he dipped into his own sauce once to many, JIM BEAM
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Velo99
269 posts
Mar 17, 2006
4:21 PM
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Tony tough break for jim.
His loss not ours.
myohmy
Kennyh
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Mount Airy Lofts
147 posts
Mar 17, 2006
4:58 PM
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I don't mean to over step my bounderly but kicking some one out just because he doesn't know how to spell or write is plain out wrong.
There is a huge difference from not making sense and being mean.
This forum is a previlage that is open to any one. Until you do something un called for, you should have that previlage.
Just my take,
Thor
P.S. Just imagine if we started kicking every one out of our local clubs just because they won't fly in the competitions. Even asking some one to leave is out right wrong in my opinion. Every one needs to have the same right to learn all they can and share their views - even tho it doesn't make any sense or is total BS.
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Mar 17, 2006 5:01 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
533 posts
Mar 17, 2006
5:29 PM
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Hey Thor, it IS piling on to make fun of someones spelling. That is not why he was removed however. See my previous post in this thread, I will stick by it. I believe he knew what he was doing and was just waiting for something to happen. He was probably amazed he was allowed to go on as long as he was without someone challenging him.
I think mostly everyone here was aware something was amiss with the theme of his posts and the lack of responding to questions posed to him regarding them.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Fr.mike
100 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:11 PM
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Your right Tony--Jim could allways e@mail you or call you.A wise old man told me the more you stir stink the more stink stinks.jim was just stirring stink.oops--Ihope I spelled everything correctly--just kidding!--Good call Tony.
Fr.mike
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fhtfire
365 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:17 PM
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Tony,
I agree with you. He seemed to be just sturring the pot. He did not make sense. It seemed most of the posts that he commented on were negative and the posts were old posts with a negative body. So, I think that you were right by doing what you did. If he wanted back on...he could contact you. If he is a slow dude...then when he calls you...you will find out. But if he is just here to make a stink..then...good bye! Anyway...I think that you made the right choice.
rock and ROLL
paul
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Mount Airy Lofts
148 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:38 PM
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Right or Wrong, I just feel that it is all ways sad to lose another Roller man.
You probably did the right thing... that still doesn't make it sad.
Jim's post reminds me of a fellow on Earl's list. Makes no sense to me but then I didn't write it. Probably made the world of sense to the fellow.
Hope he contacts you,
Thor
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spinnerdom
1 post
Mar 17, 2006
11:45 PM
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hi H saps it seems that you are bent on punishment
well here goes typing is not my game
spinners are ihave an agenda the bird deserves a better set of rules to fly by than world cup
why because you do not judge birds from the ass up a h x show me a dam gene there . pensom the god almighty himself created this mess and cultavated a fellowing that bacame a dogmatic cult the only bird a pensom bird a birmingham roller # 542-OFF 561 ON AND ON AND ON
THIS FEATHER FLOGGER WAS A VIRUS THAT CONTROLS THE HOLE FANCY TODAY. PENSOM THE NAME IS AN UNTUCHABLE THE BIRD DESERVES BETTER.PENSOM WOULD GET UP FROM HIS GRAVE TO SIT IN CARLE HARDESTY BACK YARD. 6 BASEBALLS AT 200' MONTY NIEBLE A FULL KIT OF H H H H H H H H H H THAT IS WHY HE WON HIS FLYS PENSOM RULES YOU WANT ME BACK HELL WILL BREAK
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spinnerdom
2 posts
Mar 18, 2006
12:02 AM
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JIM PATTERSON IS MY NAME
JUDGED AT LEAST 20YRS
JUDGED ALL INDIANA ONCE
SPELT WARONG RIHT
I AM 73
FOR 50YRS NEVER WITHOUT A COUP
WON ALL THE TROPHIES ANY ONE WOULD WONT
AFTER THAT THE TROPHY MONEY
NOW I WILL GIVE IT BACK TO THE BIRDS IF I POSSABELY CAN
THEY DID THEIR BEST FOR ME MY TURN NOW
DONT UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU H SAPS
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spinnerdom
4 posts
Mar 18, 2006
7:42 AM
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WELL YA WHAT I GOT IN MIND,TAKE ROLLERDOM TURN IT INSIDE OUT
THEN UPS SIDE DOWN. WHEN WE ARE FINISHED ALL THE LIES WILL BE GONE.
ONLY FACTS WILL REMAIN,SUBJECT BY SUBJECT.
THEN EACH SUBJECT WILL BE PRINTED AND STAPLED AND SOLD BY TONY.EACH OF THESE IS A CHAPTER.WHEN ALL CHAPTERS ARE COVERED TONY WILL HAVE A BOOK,THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE EVER WRITTEN.
OUR PAYMENT FOR THE FORUM
THESE WRITINGS WILL CHANGE HOW THINGS ARE DONE NOW, PULL US OUT OF THE PAST,AND PUT THE ROLLER WERE IT BELONGS.
HURT SUM FEELING,HOW MANY FEELING WERE HURT
STEP ON TOES . HOW MANY TOES HAVE BEEN BROCKEN
HOW MANY PEOPLE AND BIRDS BROKEN OVER, MOST OF ALL LIES
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Velo99
273 posts
Mar 18, 2006
8:05 AM
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Jim
Welcome back Bro.I think if you tone it down a notch everything will be just fine. I understand your passion for the roll, and the need to enlighten us with your fifty plus years of experience.I an sure it wil be an experience to remember. Thanks for the offer of your knowledge.
YITS
KennyH
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motherlodelofts
657 posts
Mar 18, 2006
8:32 AM
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He's risen again LMFAO LOL , welcome back old timer !!!!
Now tell me why you want to judge birds from the side ?
I know that even so so birds look better , other than that you can't see the full dynamics of what that bird is doing in the roll.
Scott
PS I have been in Carls backyard
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spinnerdom
7 posts
Mar 19, 2006
12:54 AM
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CARLS BACK YARD SHOWED ME THE ULTIMATE IN THE ROLLER
WENT TO A LOT OF BIG NAMES ACROSS THE OF US OF A THEN UP COAST THE TO VANCOUVER ON THE BOAT VICTORIA TO THE BEST OF THE BEST SAW THE BIRDS 4 TIMES,HE ASKED WHAT I WAS LOOKING
A KIT EACH AND EVERY ONE H/S CAME BACK DOWN THE COAST KIT AFTER KIT ENDED UP AT CARLES HE WAS FLYING FOR THE LOCALS
LAYED DOWN ON THE GRASS AN ANOTHER GUY SAT DOWN CLOSE TO ME
WATCHED THE BIRDS FLY 6 BASEBALLS IN MY FACE,RIGHT THEN AND
THERE I ENTERED THE HOLY ROLLER CHURCH I WAS CONVERTED TO
SPINNERDOM 14 YRS LATER NOT THERE NOT EVEN ONE.
CARL OFFERED ME BIRDS BUT BEING A FRUGEL CANADIAN I PASSED
THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF ROLLER LIFE,
ROLLERS AND SPINNERS ARE DIFFERENT UP THE ARS,BUT ARE THE SAME FROM THE SIDE.
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spinnerdom
8 posts
Mar 19, 2006
1:22 AM
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NOW FULL DYNAMIC
THE STUDY OF THE MOTION THAT BODIES HAVE AND THE FORCES
THAT PRODUCE THE MOTION
YOU SEEM TO HAVE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT, REAR OR SIDE ARE THE SAME
SIDE VIEW SHOW CIRCULAR FORM MOTION,IT ALLSO SHOWS THE GENE
H MOTION SHOWS JUST THAT,BREED ONLY FROM THESE YOU GET ONLY
THAT H/S THE BEST OF THE BEST,SO THE PENSOM BIBLE SAYS
BUT IT LIES PURE CIRCULAR FORM IS BASEBALLS ARE THE KING OF THE HILL. THIS SHOULD BE THE START, MAKE A PAGE
EXHAUST IT WE THEN HAVE A CHAPTER
JIM
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Mongrel Lofts
150 posts
Mar 19, 2006
7:10 AM
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Jim,
I have had birds that Carl bred back in the early 80's.. I have known several guys that had his stock and seen literally 100's of birds flown off that stock.. I have seen some good birds yes.. I have seen they have a very high percentage of roll down also.. Here is the thing Jim, I never seen any of the Hardesty birds roll better than the good birds in other families.. The good ones from the Hardesty line are just that,, Darn good rollers!! The Hardesty birds are no HOLY grail!! You seen some good ones at Carl's, but to use that as a reason to run Pensom down is FOOLISH!! Where the heck do you think Hardesty birds roll came from? Pensom birds are in the background even of Hardesty's birds.. Pensom made Hardesty birds what they were.. You should bow down and lick Pensom's feet!! You might have to dig him up, but you don't seam to mind stomping on the dead so that shouldn't be a problem. LMAO Mongrel Lofts
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spinnerdom
9 posts
Mar 19, 2006
8:50 AM
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tried to answer got sensered or someting
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spinnerdom
10 posts
Mar 19, 2006
8:59 AM
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will try again this machine thing is a bitch
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spinnerdom
11 posts
Mar 19, 2006
9:18 AM
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maybe the pensom is an untouch able name,so that part i wont answer.
carl birds are his no matter what before him,him,him,him,
no better or worse than other families,the guy that sat near me was about 20s, when the fly was over asked me what i saw
i said 6 balls he said he didnt. did he need glasses
lets find the ultamate bird ,then breed them
the way it is now.there wont be the genes
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spinnerdom
12 posts
Mar 19, 2006
9:21 AM
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being sensered makes my job harder but the roller is worth it to me
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Mongrel Lofts
151 posts
Mar 19, 2006
9:52 AM
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Jim,
I would have to go with the guy in his 20's eye sight!! A great friend of mine and one of the truly Great roller men in this hobby, Dave Sanchez once told me, Man, I seen my first true champion, a pure spinning blur with no wings showing at all. Just a melting ball!!! Then the doctor told me the next week I needed glasses! What a let down! LOL
Point is, honestly the true rare champion is much like Michael Jordon or Tiger Woods, they are freaks of nature and rarely produce like.. They often produce great rollers, but rarely another champion freak of nature..
I agree with you whole heartedly, when we get a bird with extreme velocity we must breed from them to keep that gene in the line of rollers.. I have bred a few of these X-treme speedsters, but they are rare today.. Just like they were years ago.. You must breed for them, but you will never breed them in large numbers. NEVER!!!! Champion extreme velocity just doesn't come by the kit full.. I have seen many kits of great rollers, but only a handful of true extreme velocity rollers in any kit.. If you ever do see a kit of them, you either need glasses, or you have no idea what extreme velocity is.. Just the facts Pardner.. Mongrel Lofts
Last Edited by Mongrel Lofts on Mar 19, 2006 9:54 AM
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spinnerdom
15 posts
Mar 19, 2006
10:36 AM
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if you have never seen the best,you are blind, no matter what age, your profile shows you dont exist,
so more bla bla are you a p/ite show yourself.
were trying to find the best of the best,not more and more of the same,i have read all of this crap, all of my life enough is enough jim 3/19/06
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spinnerdom
16 posts
Mar 19, 2006
11:27 AM
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tony can we print down apost so that it can be answerd
intelingently and bla bla pages be removed
so that we can learn sumthing. correct spelling if you like
jim 3/19/06.
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knaylor
81 posts
Mar 19, 2006
11:37 AM
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LOL, hey kenny did you know that you dont exist in rollers?????
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spinnerdom
18 posts
Mar 19, 2006
1:29 PM
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axels junk not worthy world cup dont judge these things
my o my stpudity every were
lets take 2" round ball sticking out each side are 1/2"knobs
the 2"ball revolves on the knobes.
now it seems that the knobs are wings on a bird,so i am told
if that were so the knobs , would be bigger than the ball.
understand no.
put your hand around the bird aprox 4" knobs 1" but wings
extended aprox 11",bird rotating on wings extended are not axeles.and supremly better than x x x . lets get past the nonsense. and get to the meat. jim 3/19/06
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Mongrel Lofts
152 posts
Mar 19, 2006
1:31 PM
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Hey Kevin,
Of course I understand my own insignificance in the roller sport. Jim here thinks the fact he has seen a good roller, makes him significant! He understands something the rest of us don't. I have heard the BLA BLA BLA from back yard flyers who think they know what a good one is better than anyone else all my life.. They are legends in their own minds and yards!! Having seen the true speed the rest of the roller world has missed. They feel they must enlighten the rest of us! By enlighten, I mean tell the rest of us how to fly and breed the type of bird they could never fly at home really.. What they fly over their yards and in their kits never matches up with the dream roller in their heads..
That is the great thing about rollers.. You can BLA BLA BLA from that little dream world in your head, or you can fly rollers.. We all have the choice of letting the fantasy in our heads skew the reality of what flys over our lofts.. Or come down to the real world and match the quality of rollers we fly, with the reality of the birds over our lofts.. Some are better at dreaming and pretending..Telling story's about the extreme blurs they see in their day dreams.. Others fly rollers for the world to see and judge..
I guess we all have to do a little soul searching to figure out what is reality, and what is make believe.. We can all talk about melting ball bearings, that blur into shrinking nothingness. Steamed heat that evaporates from shear speed. Easy to do and sounds great! As long as we don't have a bunch of guys coming over to see all that BLA BLA BLA legend in our own minds and back yards fantasy we have been spewing.. When you have to put them up for a crowd and judge. You know, show them, not just talk about them. Then all this BLA BLA BLA fantasy stuff tends to come to a screeching halt!!!! Just my humble opinion, Mongrel lofts
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spinnerdom
22 posts
Mar 19, 2006
3:12 PM
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nouthing new to add heard this crap be for
tell us somthing what what makes styles
what are good depths
what is a good judgable heigth
what size wings on h style birds
what size on baseballs
put on musle. big chest. flat head.round head.
damit man just fluster and buster. jim 3/19/06.
tell us who you are.trophies you have won, and if you are a
p/ite step up to the plate dont be a phantom.
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Mongrel Lofts
153 posts
Mar 19, 2006
3:46 PM
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tell us who you are.trophies you have won, and if you are a
p/ite step up to the plate dont be a phantom.
My name is Ken Billings Jim.. My lofts are called KGB-Black Diamond Roller Lofts.. I live in Kuna Idaho. I have been flying competition and breeding rollers since 1979.
I'm not even close to being a phantom, although I think many wished I were! LOL I just fly good honest rollers Jim.. I'm not the best or the worst roller breeder and flyer in the sport.. I am a player.. ( A FLY GUY ) Just like many on this list.. I'm one who truly believes in put up, or shut up! I respect the men who put the birds up for all to judge and be recorded. TALK IS CHEAP!!! I like a good story as much as the next guy, but only if its based in reality. I have seen way to much, they brag and they boast, They have the best from coast to coast.. Show me, Us roller men have a playing field now.. Time for talking is over, IT's SHOW TIME!!!!! Mongrel Lofts
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ROLLERMAN
35 posts
Mar 19, 2006
4:40 PM
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Ken
whats wromg with back yard flyers. Do you realy believe that you have to fly in competition to be a good roller person. i got my 1st pair of rollers in 1945 and i still have rollers too this day.and iv seen some very very good ones. i wonder how many back yard flyers you put down.
Thats all i have to say . This is my last posting in this forum
al
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Fr.mike
102 posts
Mar 19, 2006
5:07 PM
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Oh come on roller man--Jim its just an opinion ! dont leave its just talk dont get upset--Its like a good gumbo--allthe flavors have to be there in order to savor the ultimate PAZAZ--If you are breeding and flying rollers we need you--come on be a good sport--sometimes you take alittle heat for doing it the way you like-that doesnt mean your opinion isnt valued.
Fr.Mike
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Fr.mike
103 posts
Mar 19, 2006
5:09 PM
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Sorry AL I meant you I typed jim but the same applys
Fr.mike
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Mongrel Lofts
154 posts
Mar 19, 2006
5:09 PM
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Al,
I don't have a problem with back yard roller keepers. I just respect the men who put the work in and let the rollers do the talking. That's my personal opinion. I have been in rollers long enough to know, being old and having rollers a long time, does not always mean a guy knows how to breed and fly good rollers. Just proves he has kept rollers a long time! Of course it is a huge advantage if the student has been awake all them years. If he has, I feel he would want to show the world the quality of rollers he produced and worked on all them years. Just my Opinion Al.. Sorry you won't be posting on here anymore. Mongrel Lofts
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spinnerdom
23 posts
Mar 19, 2006
7:05 PM
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roller man dont leave please jim
i have nothing to prove to old a cat
the phantom has exposed has opened his cape,all are welcome
now feed me some meat
if the eye is off center,toward bottom,looking down,does that mean sumpton. jim 3/19/06
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
432 posts
Mar 19, 2006
8:21 PM
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if the eye is off center,toward bottom,looking down,does that mean sumpton...
At my lofts and what I have witnessed at others, 75 percent of the time if you can see those eye traits/faults...that is a dead pigeon flying.
Brian
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spinnerdom
25 posts
Mar 20, 2006
4:59 AM
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brian/thank you for some meat tho i prefer beef on sunday
now i have never saw or seen a dead bird fly.honest
please explain for young and old.
75% if more info, maybe we could remove at nest.hum
seems strange that backyard flyer is spitting word
i dumbe as i am,fly in my backyard
i have flown competion from my yard ron kumro can vairafye
if someone stole my backyard,i would be lost. honest
rollerman please come back i need all the HELP ican get
jim 3/20/06
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J_Star
305 posts
Mar 20, 2006
5:00 AM
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Well, who cares what Kenny or I or anybody else here in the list think. If you are happy with your backyard flying, then be it. I don't fly in competition myself just yet, and I was not offended by what Kenny said. We are grown men not children to get hurt feelings for every little thing said. I see Kenny's point. If it was missed, he is saying: How do you know you have the best birds if the birds not being judged by somebody else such as a competition judge? Allot of people on this site and other sites brag about how good their birds are and there is nobody else has better birds, but when you go watch their birds, you know otherwise. Nobody is holding anybody to post and if there is no sportsmanship then maybe you will find what you are looking for somewhere else. Here we try to respect everybody's opinion as long as it is constructive and logical.
If Kenny made that comment toward you in particular, I would understand where you are coming from, but he did not. He was trying to drive a point to Jim. Jim is holding his own and doing pretty good. So lets keep this discussion clean and constructive without any jabs here and there. Thanks for all your understanding and sportsmanship.
Jay
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