maxspin
23 posts
Mar 23, 2006
9:54 AM
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Jim,
This is the second time in the last couple of months that there has been a discussion about 20 bird fly rules (World Cup). I believe that this is a dead end discussion. Instead of complaining about the World Cup rules why not organize a fly.
The World Cup started as a regional fly. "The Northwest International". The roller community as a whole liked it and wanted in.
Jim, What rules do you want to see in your fly?
Jim, How about you giving us some meat!!!
Keith
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spinnerdom
54 posts
Mar 23, 2006
10:55 AM
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MAX SPIN;Tell us how this fly came about
from the humble beginings till w/c
is this max runyon. oregon.
welcome aboard .jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 25, 2006 5:18 AM
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knaylor
102 posts
Mar 23, 2006
9:25 PM
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OK Jim, because Tony has asked us to. I can stand tall I am 5'9" and weigh 143#.(LOL) How doesnt the W/C have any control over a region??? Please explain the best you can. What other rules are messed up... Kevin
Last Edited by knaylor on Mar 23, 2006 9:28 PM
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spinnerdom
56 posts
Mar 24, 2006
3:46 AM
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mr knayler; the post is on ghost mr knayler.
please remove and put here.
why w/c cannot govern a region.they w/c cannot dictate to a region.
i am asking why. jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 24, 2006 9:45 AM
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J_Star
310 posts
Mar 24, 2006
4:55 AM
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Kevin, you will never get a straight answer from Mr. my-o-my. So don't bother trying to get some explanation from him for those questions and just play the game. Sooner or later we all will get tired of this shit and stop responding to him.
My take about the rules is if you are not happy with them now, you will never be no matter how much they change to suit some demands. There are always people who are never happy with anything.
Jay
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spinnerdom
59 posts
Mar 24, 2006
9:51 AM
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jay ;go to post on the ghost,be usefull.
type it over here please dear. jim
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knaylor
103 posts
Mar 24, 2006
9:58 AM
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Jay, I understand but for some reason Tony is standing up for him. LOL Kevin
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
544 posts
Mar 24, 2006
11:16 AM
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Hey Kevin, it's not that I am sticking up for him, just trying to give him a chance to adjust his writing style and become a useful member of the forum.
How he does is really up to him. Let me say he does not speak as he writes. If he wants to give back to the roller as he states in one of his posts, he will learn to adjust his style for clarity and understanding or find this site is not a good fit for him.
So it is really his choice as to what he does if he wants to be a valuable member of the forum or booted away.
I will continue to monitor over the next couple days. If no improvement, I will boot.
...I will give the old dog a chance to learn new tricks...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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spinnerdom
63 posts
Mar 25, 2006
6:10 AM
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page# 2
the phantom 1 is here in the wings. [page #2]
max the spin/ner,put the w/c rules up on the wall [page#2
mr.knaylor and i standing tall.
the stage is set.the curtain riseing. [we shell start.]
the w/c can not dictate to a region.
[question] why not [answer]
mr knaylor you have the floor
jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 25, 2006 8:21 AM
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knaylor
106 posts
Mar 25, 2006
8:57 AM
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Jim, dictate what to a region??????? If you want me to answer the questions you have please make them so I can understand what you are asking. If you cant then get someone to help you!!!!!!
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spinnerdom
71 posts
Mar 25, 2006
12:42 PM
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a region not allowing flyers to fly the world cup is told. w/c say they can do nothing.
why
jim
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knaylor
109 posts
Mar 25, 2006
11:21 PM
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Jim, If a flyer lives in a region and is close to other flyers then there should be no reason that he should not be able to fly. Now if the flyer lives far away then it is up to the RD. This all depends on time and money. This is really a common sence thing, not hard to understand. I know that there are flyers that live far away and will pick p 100% of the expence to get the qualifier judge to there place. Not sure what you want the w/c to do???? Kevin
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spinnerdom
73 posts
Mar 25, 2006
11:59 PM
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how far is too far i did indiana two days, is 2hrs too far 4hrs too far six hrs too far, whats fair.
o i can answer that my friends my clique.
please answer] distance diameter what is too far
a club has 12 flyers pays for 15 flys twice,three fly twice same kit but will not fly flyer 10 miles.
[question] how come rd not responsible ?
jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 26, 2006 6:41 AM
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knaylor
111 posts
Mar 26, 2006
8:35 AM
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Jim, how can an area that has 12 flyers pay for 15 twice???? That would be cheating and if this is going on the whole region will be punished. How far is too far. Now that is up to each individual RD. I have a flyer that is about 4 hrs out of the way. That is my limit. I dought if I could take on another. It would not be feesable or work in our time table. Do you think if a flyer lives 6 hrs away and the only access is by plane and will cost $2000. They show be able to fly??? who should pay for it??? Kevin
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spinnerdom
78 posts
Mar 26, 2006
9:10 AM
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my point is how far, is too far ,a three hr diameter,a cross that is 6hrs should be punished . by who, were is
the punishment in the rules.
you are standing tall,
jim
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spinnerdom
87 posts
Mar 26, 2006
11:00 PM
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no sire i more than getit
i did not state how far, i asked how far is too far,
rules say anyone can fly in the region,our region would
take 3 to 4 days steady driving,,, again how far is too far..
a rd takes on a responsbility as a rep for the w/c
not a jailer for the w/c should the w/c not have some recourse.....i am told no control over a region [why]
me fly the w/c is not a issue,i am told that you dont fly. so what.
jim
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motherlodelofts
685 posts
Mar 27, 2006
7:06 AM
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Regions take in whatever they can handle and time taken to do it does factor in.
Some regions don't go to far at all due to the amount of fliers they have to fit in , others cover large areas due to the fliers are just so spread out and it is the only way to do it, such regions are on the verge of major problems due to it takes someone to take a week off work and drive thousand plus miles , the region that Ill. is in comes to mind , in fact I think that they may have a problem now as it just takes to long .
No , not everyone can fly and there are some that fall inbetween or live just to far out.
Time and financial cost both factor in , in your case Jim they might just not want to drive an hr an a half to listen to you whining about the W/C rules , don't know for sure , it is doubtful it is because of the birds you fly , that makes no sence.
Jim did you ever offer to help out with gas or to offer driving the judge to you ?
Adding an hr and a half means 3 hrs both ways plus fly time, that means a half a day is lost to fly only one flier.
Bottom line is the regions take on what is feasable , in cases like this the option is to start another region, that takes work and dedication though.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Mar 27, 2006 7:22 AM
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spinnerdom
90 posts
Mar 27, 2006
8:42 AM
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scott; this is my dome, mrknaylor and i are discussing,,
please put your post on how far is too far,we dont need interference,even tho you feel well in tended,there is no malice here.........[mr knaylor is assistant general coordinator give him and i the respect he deserves.
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knaylor
117 posts
Mar 27, 2006
9:03 AM
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Jim, Scott is putting his voice in here because he has been an RD for a few years so he know the limits. Have you ever volenteered to help out in your region??? Last year was the 1st year that I have not flown in the w/c since 99 due to personal reasons. I still ran my region as the RD and still took money out of my own pocket to do so. What have you done?????
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spinnerdom
91 posts
Mar 27, 2006
10:00 AM
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it doesnt seem to matter what ever i have done, it will be belittled anyway, ......a cry in pensilvania they wont fly me, i wrote 2yrs off and on in nbrc finally they picked him up,also wasted a lot money talking to anyone in the w/c that would listen joe marlett for one............
rule change for new region;continental coordinator brought this one forward even tho riddled with cancer;more money long distance calls cost
a lot of money , new rules are needed. push scott out of the dome you and i have work to do;
mental midget jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 27, 2006 10:08 AM
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knaylor
122 posts
Mar 27, 2006
2:15 PM
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Jim, I see no need for rule changes. Say what you want do what you want I am done with you. kevin
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spinnerdom
94 posts
Mar 27, 2006
2:42 PM
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well it is very simple you need a minimun boundry ,[question] why.....
because a club 10 members 30 mile diameter,pay for 15,......at 35 miles are 7 flyers,......but the club will not let them fly,w/c says everyone can fly in a region,.....complaints to world cup,they say we cannot dictate to a region.
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spinnerdom
95 posts
Mar 27, 2006
3:01 PM
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minimum boundry would force the region,too take other flyers within boundry ,works fine now leave it alone.......
you promote sales to grow region,but by the time to fly 2or3 yrs.sorry you live to far away.......people very angry
got rid of their birds lost flyers for ever......region as not grown since the start of w/c ......does this hurt the w/c they dont care......this needs to be addressed
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
558 posts
Mar 27, 2006
3:08 PM
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Hey Jim, if you have a problem with the world cup rules, you need to take it up with them. They have a website in which I am sure you can talk with them directly. I prefer you not air your grievances about them here.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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spinnerdom
96 posts
Mar 27, 2006
3:18 PM
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again how far is too far....next the w/c dates are kept secret,so registration should or could be taken off w/c web site.....
then sent to rd in region,if out of boundry they do not have to take them......but lets say 6 registrations would form a new region. we dont know where they are.....if not done maybe no region......does it realy matter.
[your turn mrknaylor]
jim
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
559 posts
Mar 27, 2006
3:22 PM
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Jim, please take your greviences to world cup directly.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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spinnerdom
97 posts
Mar 28, 2006
4:16 AM
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well tony you can not move the world cup, with a letter or phone calls,because they think any changes will hurt the integrity of the wold cup. to me if you can see the problems close your eyes,easest thing to do is to do nothing ,do not listen to the problem there is no problem.
i have acomplished what i had to do, even with all the belittlement the wordis stronger than the sword.......
dont shoot the message, shoot the messenger.......
isaid right from the start, i would turn the roller world upside down inside out,i have a agenda,but stupdedup jim they didnt think i was capable some said your against the world,iknew that before i started,i got no surprises
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spinnerdom
98 posts
Mar 28, 2006
4:37 AM
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i ALSO SAID KIKE OR KEEP MY AGENA IS NOT DONE
WHY THE ALMIGHTY 20
WHY USE FRACTIONS AS MARKERS
TOO MANY 11 OF THEM
up the ars judging
THE WORST OF THEM THE all, the ALMIGHTY Hs THIS GOES BACK A VERY VERY LONG TIME..... HOW ARE YOU TODAY h saps.
well the ball is in your court, and abuse from now on i will not except.
evidaluson is ik da dawa youss thinkum
all the best no har fealings
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J_Star
327 posts
Mar 28, 2006
10:29 AM
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Jim,
What agenda do you have? What is the abuse are you talking about? So far, with all due respect, I think you have been the abusive one. You have disrupted the forum mechanics and we stayed patient with you. Possible that the books you suggested for CJ would also do you good. Just be considerate and friendly and you will receive the same. I assure you that.
If you can write English very well as you have been lately, why the bullshit from the start? Let me remind you that the first impression is the most important one. Have you asked yourself what impression have you painted in our minds due to the crap you have been posting? You posted close to 100 posts by now, 96 of them are without substance or any value to anybody but moaning and complaining with so much negativity toward many things. It could have been allot different and it could've been 96 posts with substance and of value.
Don’t get me wrong Jim, and we would like to have you as a solid member of this forum, but you need to rethink your strategy. I have never seen a post ever on this forum that said ‘Don’t talk to so and so’, why is it you are the only one that this kind of post ever applied to? Please rethink your agenda and strategy; it will do us all good. Thanks for being a sport Jim.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Mar 28, 2006 10:31 AM
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spinnerdom
110 posts
Mar 28, 2006
6:58 PM
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the world congress session is over the point has been made
the renovations are complete
the doors are open to all, thankyou for your patience. jim
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spinnerdom
126 posts
Apr 01, 2006
6:02 AM
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kit s not there
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spinnerdom
127 posts
Apr 01, 2006
6:04 AM
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a person not there
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spinnerdom
128 posts
Apr 01, 2006
6:06 AM
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rules what do you do with them brake them thats why they are made.
cliff please state problems as you see them,be explicit and as short as you can, we will sort this together.
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Apr 01, 2006 11:43 AM
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Planet_Rock_Lofts
15 posts
Apr 02, 2006
3:26 PM
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Hey everyone,
I think I can understand (maybe not) what Jim is saying or his point. Correct me if i am wrong Jim he is saying that he has experienced most of the same verbage on here that he has heard all of his years of raising pigeons.
He wants conversation on how to make birds faster and the different physics or dynamics that make a bird faster in the spin. Kind of like what D. Kowalski was doing with his book, "True Spinning Rollers."
I think this is the point he trying get across that we might not be catching ..... I think???
He may have a legitimate or legitimate points.
I think ????????
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