motherlodelofts
978 posts
Nov 30, 2006
11:39 PM
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Ok,I gotta know , are the officers of this club truley the idiots that they come off to be when it come's to the birds ?
Why would a club justify certify Birmingham Rollers the same as some piece of garbage that plate rolls, twizle's ect. after a roll ? hey bozo's that isn't a good thing, it is a cull trying to regain control and nothing else !!!!!!!
This club is nothing more than a route towards new guys coming in to buy thier rolldown culls and to accept sub standard performers as a standard as they reject any standard to certify birds .
This club is bad bad bad news for the new flyers trying to enter the sport.
Here is some advice "steer clear of these clowns !!!!"
There is only "one" club and that is the (No Club Name Here), over 2000 strong with every top flyer and breeder in the country in it's membership, so you new guys, ask yourself this "who are these guys that are officers of the (No Club Name Here)? " well they are a bunch of mongral color bird feather merchants that are trying to pass off and justify substandard birds thats who , don't be fooled by these shysters.
In defense of a few of it's members , some are trying to take it in the right direction,me thinks the problem is the officers that run this so called club are non roller guys that seem to want sub standard birds certified to help sell birds , I wonder if these few members have caught on to this yet ? hmmmm you might want to look at the big picture guys , to bad this club seems to be "owned" by these (No Bad Words Here) verses ran by the membership.
Scott Campbell
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Pali View Lofts
21 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:09 AM
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Who are these folks?
Never heard of them..........hmmmm........you think I should keep it that way?
LOL!
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
847 posts
Dec 01, 2006
2:44 AM
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Scott. I thought you knew better than post something like this on Tony's site.Talk about Bad News YOU are just like a (No Insults Here). You just keep (No Inflamatory Words Here) away at the Hobby with your jealousy.When will you ever learn.If it bothers you so much why do you even go there when you arn't welcome anyway.I know you still harbor bad feelings because they won't let you spread your (No Inflamatory Words Here) on that site but don't drag it here. David
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motherlodelofts
979 posts
Dec 01, 2006
4:27 AM
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Dave I go there for entertainment purposes , it is better than the Sunday funny papers,don't think that those little shots towards this site "don't" go un noticed either, funny that you guys don't censor that out along with posts that disagree with the roller inverts (thats kinda like a pervert).
You guys are like the bald headed guys in robes and tamberines at airports trying to suck in the unsuspecting and sending them down the wrong path , the blind leading the blind, as bad as the guy that farts and blames it on the dog.
Well now I'm here to do my level best to hopefully point them in the right direction and to call the bullshit, bullshit.
A migit in a clown suit is still just a migit in a clown suit .
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katyroller
106 posts
Dec 01, 2006
6:25 AM
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Scott, I am not a member of the (No Club NAme Here) but I do like to visit their forum as much as this forum. Fortunately, I am not totally new to rollers so I can see B.S. when I read it on their site or this (No Making Host Upset). Yes, I have read (No Bad Words Here) on this site. I don't understand your need to consistantly attack them. Yes, I have read where some have taken a small jab at another site, possibly this one but the site was not named so I can't say for sure. You on the other hand have thrown full fledge punches on numerous occasions and seem to have a deep desire to attack certain individuals who you feel a need to identify. I fail to see how this is constructive to any new flier that reads it, regardless of which site they read it on. I am also convinced that there are posters on this site that post on their site under a different name. Threads like this one are the true B.S. that need to be stopped.
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Batlizard
5 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:33 AM
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I read many months ago a post back in the archives here. It was titled Controversy Sells. Seems to be the case once more....hmmmmm???? This is truly ridiculous reading and unecessary cheap shots. (Working On The Cheap Shots: Host)
Rocky
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motherlodelofts
982 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:38 AM
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Yea, maybe I shoulda left it alone ,I wrote this during a bout of insomia and pounding down French roast that kinda got me as wild eyed as a drunken Chimp.
But man when it comes to the birds them guys really are full blown idiots.
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Batlizard
6 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:45 AM
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Hope you feel better now...
Rocky
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
848 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:50 AM
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Scott.By this time I think anyone who has read your post over the past 3 years knows the kind of fellow you are.It is a shame the members you have turned away from this site.Every time you post these kind of post about the (No Club Name Here) the membership there takes a big jump.I guess a Big Thanks are in order.I am really surprised that the moderators would even allow your post to still be up here.So much for the great moderators on this site.But as another poster said these things sell.I could dance with you all day about such things but I found out that if everyone ignores you then you will go away and try and stir up trouble someplace else.Sorry I even bought into it this far.David
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AIREDALE
39 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:16 AM
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Scott, Thanks for the heads up.You should name names when it comes to these carpetbaggers.Form a Jihad,burn their lofts, and Tar and feather them with their own mongrelized colored feathers.Death to the infidels. Who do these guys think they are.There is only one club (No Club Name Here)and there should be no other false clubs before it.What the hell's going on.Do they think this is America.People are treating the raising of rollers as some sort of hobby or something.Pretty soon folks will start forming local clubs and that's just the camel's nose under the tent.That quip about blaming farts on the dog was classic.If you could post a fart it would be one of your more (No Insults Here) comments. John
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motherlodelofts
983 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:26 AM
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Sure it does Dave
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motherlodelofts
984 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:29 AM
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Coming at me now like the flying monkeys from the wizard of oz LOL
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nicksiders
873 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:34 AM
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LM(No Bad Initials Here)O John
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fhtfire
675 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:35 AM
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Dave and Scott,
Yes...Scott did go a little out of control...but he is right about a lot of the stuff on the other site. There are some good faciers that post on that site...I have even posted on the other site. Dave...you have been in birds a long time and you have to admit that selling a bird that is ripping 30ft rolls at three months and claiming that it is a good bird is not a good thing...or claiming that there is a proven pair of breeders that are 05 birds...you know as well as I know...that there is no way a pair can be proven breeders in 1 year.....I have seen it...that is not fair to the new guys....saying that you have some unproven young birds from good blood is a better thing to say....or for 05 Breeders...saying that they have produced some good birds but are unproven...but have great potential.
Hey...as far as breeding for color or doing whatever...they are your birds and you are free to do what you want with them. I have seen posts about wanting to stock birds that don't kit because they roll good....that is a fault...how can you even say that....or stocking a bird at 5 months old becuase it is ripping.....that is not a good thing to point out to the newbies....If newbies started pulling birds at 4 months an stocking them and birds that don't kit...they will end up frustrated and leaving this hobby. I agree with Scott on a lot of things....some of the hogwash is very bad for new fliers to read...Dave you know as well as I do...that some of the stuff posted is like WHAT!!!! I will say that there is a lot of GOOD info over there and a lot of topics that are good to talk about....
One reason that it frustrates me is that I BOUGHT birds from Bob when I first started getting serious about flying....and I fell for the "25-30" at 4 months old this bird is ripping....or been flying this bird and is doing it in every way.....I would stock this bird....but they have to go.....then I get the birds home and guess what....I DO NOT HAVE ONE BIRD LEFT>>>>>>>>THEY ALL ROLLED DOWN but one and two would not kit EVER. One bird did make it to my A-team and was about 8 months old...but I lost the team to an over fly and did not get a chance to finish flying out the bird...but that bird did smoke and never bumped...I paid good money...but they sure looked like champions for about a month or two.....I was so excited....then one by one they bouced..not mistakes...full on ...lock up from 100' and splat. IF I was not surrounded by GOOD breeders...I was ready to leave the sport....spent a lot of money...but I have been real cool about it and not saying much...but I have read a post over there where someone said I was fling there birds and that is not true..I am flying Ruby ROllers and Mort Emami/Chuck ROe...topped off with a little Campbell.....so I am speaking from experience.
Dave...as far as crap information on this site...yes...there have been posts where someone will give a comment from Left Field....but usually 3 or 4 of the "TOP" fliers will set them straight with the facts. If you do that over there...you get the boot if you do not agree. Anyway...I think that Scott just had to much coffee and will maybe modify his post if he feels the need...Dave...you have good birds and you have proved it in the flies....there is good info on both sites...but I think the frustration from fliers like Scott is the love of the game and if there is some...should I say....poor information.....then...that is not a good thing for the new fliers and the sport. Nothing toward you or the other site Dave....it is just some of the info...I really do not agree with...
No dis-respect to any site...I post on both and there is good info on both...I post a lot more on this site because you are free to disagree....and no disrespect to any of the patrons at the other site...some I respect...some I do not...just like here....again...I just tell it how I see it and it is just an opinion.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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nicksiders
874 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:41 AM
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Good post Paul Fullerton, good post
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smokey
38 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:48 AM
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its amazing to me how one or two can be so afraid of our little club called the (No Club Name Here) theres room for everyone just let the swelling go down between your (No Insults Here)a little. smokey or reduced
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J_Star
704 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:56 AM
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Dave, you said "I am really surprised that the moderators would even allow your post to still be up here.So much for the great moderators on this site." That was a cheap shot. We will stop it when there is a good reason but not because someone cannot handle the discussion.
For those of you who don't like this kind of posts, please don't read it and don't post to it. Just stay clear from this non-sense and you will be ok.
Jay
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dave
212 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:57 AM
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This is my opinion but here is the problem that I see with the (No Club Name Here). They are trying to please too many people. If you are trying to certify different birds than you should have different standards. Why make an exception for one and not the other? I got the feeling that a couple of guys that were trying to help better their certification program got pushed aside.
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motherlodelofts
985 posts
Dec 01, 2006
9:37 AM
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Dave, they did more than just pushed aside, they got their posts deleted and censored.
Scott
PS Jay atta boy, they can shovel it but can't take it, they are so used to deleting posts over there from real roller guys that they in a full blown tizzy , next will come the usual threats from them.
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dave
213 posts
Dec 01, 2006
9:52 AM
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I was going to join the club to help them out but after this I will wait to see what comes out of it. It seems as if you are welcome as long as you agree but as soon as you do something else than you are scolded. Example: Cliff, Brian, Big Al, Don B. If it is truly a club for just having fun and catering to the backyard fancier than no need to have a certificaton program. Why certify when you already know what you got? If you will certify than only certify the very best. Why allow deep rollers to twizzle, plate roll, or tail ride at the end? Isn't the end part of the roll?
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nicksiders
875 posts
Dec 01, 2006
10:07 AM
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David,
You are right they are trying too hard to please everyone and it is causing bad information to be adopted by the young or inexperienced breeders as good information. Because no one is allowed to protest some of the information being posted. Some of the officers are trying to be too many things for too many people. Consequently everyone can do as the darn well please to the breed simply because they are "paying the feed bill". There should be responsibilities adhered to for the breed's integrity and enforced thru strongly encouraging it and not simply excussing it.
Everybody walks around on egg shells over there afraid they are going to hurt someones feelings; be sencored; or removed. It has happened when it is not called for. It is very unconfortable for some of us.
The moderators do just great here. They allow us to be free with our opinions, but we get sensored when we step out of bounds.
I have been chastised here by other breeders in here when what I say is unopropriate and many have already jumped Scott as you can see, but Scott will not have to worry about being removed from the site.
Well, again I have rambled. Talked alot, but didn't say shit.................sorry guys/gals
Nick
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fhtfire
676 posts
Dec 01, 2006
10:08 AM
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Dave,
Don't hesitate to post on the other site or read through the posts...you have been in the game long enough to work your way through the crap and focus on the meaningfull stuff. Knowledge is power and never pass up a chance to learn something. I just look every now and then...I have maybe posted 15 times in 6 months...Lost of genetics and color info. But I honestly feel this site is the cats meow...just my opinion
rock and ROLL
Paul
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RollerJoe
6 posts
Dec 01, 2006
10:24 AM
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Wo wo wo there my brothers this is crazy lets have some deep breathing and calm down scott my brother you have a lot of anger there let me and you breath together in out in out in through the nose out through the mouth ok do you feel better.
Brothers pigeons are a sign of love and friendship not all this drama before posting these posts maybe you should try a little yoga and exale them demons yours in sport roller joseph fly on my brothers fly on .
p.s brother Scott if the breathing doesnt seem to help maybe anger management would be benefical for you, if you want to talk my door is always open son.
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knaylor
318 posts
Dec 01, 2006
10:27 AM
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Davis S., the moderators on this site are head and shoulders about the other site. Everyone know that over there you cant tell the truth about the birds or you will get banned.
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bman
114 posts
Dec 01, 2006
10:34 AM
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Okay,since I have a dog in this fight by belonging too both the NBRC and NPRA here the way I see it.There are alot of good people/info along with some bull on both sites.I think any organization that promotes the hobby is worth supporting."Over there" they they break out in a rash at the hint of competition.Just like Scott gets a little wild eyed over the mention of color.LOl
Is getting screwed differ if its color or pedigrees? I just
wish I had a couple of flyers close,I wouldn't care if they had pink ducks with 10 generation peds.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
849 posts
Dec 01, 2006
10:59 AM
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Jay. Cheap Shot? I don't think so. According to what Tony said there was suppose to be no name calling.I guess it is alright for Scott to call us in the NPRA Nazi Clowns etc etc.
I have an email here somewhere that told me not to use the name National Performing Roller Assn.(NPRA) on this site.That it was promoting the other Club.
But I guess it's O.K. now according to Jay.
Scott.If you think I can't dish it out as well as take it you really don't know how bad a Naxi Color breeding Clown can get.LOL. David
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motherlodelofts
987 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:08 AM
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Dave (dave) you bring up some valid points and are worth discussing,first and foremost is the qaulity on a bird has to be good, this is rolling clean as a whistle and smooth as a ball bearing with either no wings showing or wings up and exit the roll clean and crisp.
Depth and or frequency only come into play once proper qaulity is achieved.
The deeper a bird is the harder it is to get them doing it to par, I have had a few that could hit the 60 to 70 ft range and do it right including kitting, but they are hard to come by but no doubt easy birds to remember, as far as just breeding depth I think it is fairly easy, breeding deep birds that can do it right is the hard part.
As for frequency , to much is not a good thing as qaulity can be easily lost, but a frequent bird that can hold the qaulity can be a real asset as long as it isn't a control isue where they just keep blowing out the back of the kit.
Now you take a bird that has qaulity from start to finish,depth and decent frequency and you have a real treasure.
First and formost though is all starts with qaulity from start to finish, and unless you have that you just simply have a cull , I think that it is worth mention that this is reconized the world over.
I keep hearing over and over again "competition birds" from the no flyers , there is no such thing, but what you will find different from a good flyer verses a non flyer is what I wrote above, in order to move forward never make excuses for poor birds.
Scott
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motherlodelofts
988 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:14 AM
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Dave , I didn't use "Color Breeding Nazi Clowns" in the context of name calling , it was a description, huge difference buddy, if you notice out of respect I used capitol letters.
Scott
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motherlodelofts
991 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:47 AM
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(Scott, Thanks for the heads up.You should name names when it comes to these carpetbaggers.Form a Jihad,burn their lofts, and Tar and feather them with their own mongrelized colored feathers.Death to the infidels. Who do these guys think they are.There is only one club (NBRC)and there should be no other false clubs before it.What the hell's going on.Do they think this is America.People are treating the raising of rollers as some sort of hobby or something.Pretty soon folks will start forming local clubs and that's just the camel's nose under the tent.That quip about blaming farts on the dog was classic.If you could post a fart it would be one of your more intellegent comments. John )
John thats the spirit !!!! I'm with ya brother , as for posting the fart , I'm working on it for you.
Scott
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Sourland
85 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:50 AM
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Scott, in case you didn't notice John's tongue in cheek comments weren't complimentary. More of the same anger driven rantings. My last post! P.S.-my birds are Lavin based not color birds. Goodbye.
Sourland George
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
850 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:59 AM
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Scott.Like I said before the more you badmouth the NPRA and say things like you do about something you only see at face value the more attention you direct toward us.
For one thing no one in the NPRA is Certifying Birmingham rollers that plate roll and twizzle at the end of the roll.Those are Oriental Rollers and that is what they do.But of coarse Bill Pensom called a Birmingham Roller a Champion Roller if it did this.But then its only Pure Birmingham Roller if it is modern day rollers bred according to what someone else says is pure.
If you would just understand what you post instead of going off half cocked.
Do you really think that you are going to change the outcome of the NPRA? Get used to it Buddy it is here to stay. David
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motherlodelofts
992 posts
Dec 01, 2006
12:17 PM
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Wrong Dave, Brian M was asked and summited a standard(the same used world wide) it was deleted and rejected by a few non flyers that own that club, others also tried to help to move it forward instead of backwards only to be shot down, and yes the Grand Puba himself said that birds that trizled and plate rolled out of control would also be scored.
The usual deceit and half truths, as for Pensom and his writings you may want to take a closer look at them and not read into them what ever it takes to justify sub standard birds.
The book is only a fraction of his writings , if you want to use him and his writings as an example I suggest you do your home work first.
As for this thread, I think actualy it'll probaby help you guys out in the long run , I hope that club does survive, just not on it's current path as far as justifying sub standard birds.
Scott
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motherlodelofts
994 posts
Dec 01, 2006
12:27 PM
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Sourland, trust me I got it , I'm just not that thin skinned nor am I stupid , I thought his post was good.
Scott
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3757
92 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:04 PM
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An opinion is just an opinion without facts and data. Scott you said “There is only "one" club and that is the NBRC”! Is this not the thought of the NAZI's. Generalization is why we have so many issues in this country be it race, pigeon clubs etc. You also stated “the officers of this club truley the idiots that they come off to be when it come's to the birds”. Wow!
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
851 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:06 PM
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Scott. You said:
The book is only a fraction of his writings , if you want to use him and his writings as an example I suggest you do your home work first.
You may pull this on some but not me.I have done my homework.And I have a very large collection of his writings.And I see when the Birmingham Roller made the change from what he(Pensom)called a Champion.
You say you want to keep things Pure.Well why not go back to the way they were when the man himself brought them from Birmingham.
They are only pure to whoever decides to make them to suit the need.
Want to go into Pensom and some of his Color Projects?
Actually I may start submitting some of his letters and writings to the NPRA Bulletin for everyone to read.
You might be surprised at how well I done my homework.LOL. David
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motherlodelofts
995 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:13 PM
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Yes Dave, this ought to be good, lets here about some of his color projects.
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
852 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:21 PM
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Scott.You already know about some of them.Remember you told me to do my homework on Pensom so I am sure you have done yours.
Furthermore there is no talking to you anything about color so it would be a useless conversation.David
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dave
216 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:24 PM
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What other colors did Pensom have besides the yellows that he said were not as good as the other ones he had?
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
853 posts
Dec 01, 2006
1:36 PM
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Dave.Sorry I got carried away there and forgot which site I was on.It is best to keep the color talk on the NPRA.David
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motherlodelofts
996 posts
Dec 01, 2006
2:28 PM
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Here you go Dave , let me help
"What is a Birmingham Roller ? it is a bird that rolls over and over in a straight line downwards. no separate movement between the somersaults is discernible,and from a side view we get a perfect impression of a cricket ball clearly showing a hole through the center about the size of a half dollar,.
About eight yards (24 ft) is the average depth of a real roller,the deepest I consider average is about 15 yards (45 ft) ,such as these however,are very rare and few and far between,and in any case it is only one in a thousand that survives the first 12 months (still holds true today).If they do mange to get away with their life in this time,they usually shorten in their rolling,it is seldom they revert to the depth of their youth (I see this also) "
This was written in England in 1942 , no mention of plate rolling , twizling ect. of coarse there are many more with even more detail if you need them , he hits on those deep birds pretty heavy and the lack of qaulity (for those that care) and also how birds come out of the roll.
We both know where you got the plate rolling and twizling ect. from , maybe you need to think of the context. Does a good bird roll to the standard when low and in the danger zone ? my good one's don't, but they will twizle, tumble ect. hmmmm.
As for color , this is good since pieces of this was taken out and put into an article on color breeding by Bob "color vrs Performance" of coarse it's on his sale's page "hmmm go figure", what is humorous is just particular sentences were used and written totally out of context to fit the agenda , this is one that was left completely out though which sums it up and is cut and dry. Keep in mind that when it comes to color he's also talking about purebred birds and not the color birds that you guys are using where fancy show breeds were crossed in.
"For any fancier to bred birds of color and marking to meet his tastes he would naturally have to breed far more than he could successfully manage. It is possible to breed any color and marking but the ratio of good birds produced would be extremely small. This is the difference between a successful strain for ideal spinning and the pursuit of colorful pigeons." (this from a guy that bred alot of birds)
Now I did the best I could "NOT" to alter the context , can you do the same ?
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
854 posts
Dec 01, 2006
2:30 PM
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Paul.Still trying to get caught up everywhere.LOL.
One thing I would like to touch on in your post. You said:
THEY ALL ROLLED DOWN but one and two would not kit EVER. One bird did make it to my A-team and was about 8 months old...but I lost the team to an over fly and did not get a chance to finish flying out the bird...but that bird did smoke and never bumped...I paid good money...but they sure looked like champions for about a month or two.....I was so excited....then one by one they bouced..not mistakes...full on ...lock up from 100' and splat.
I agree that the Turner family of rollers is not for everyone.The problem most fanciers have with them is that they try to cut the feed on them to try to get them to roll more.It just won't work.If you start cutting the feed to much I can guarantee that just like you said they will crash.By reading your post I think this is what happened to you.You said they looked like Champions for a month or two but then they started to splat.
I have found that I better keep mine fed up to just the point of not having them trap good untill they are around 6 month old or after the moult.I have cut my rolldowns in the past 4 years from 3 in 20 to 3 in 100 by just not pushing them to roll before 6 months.Yes they do start early but I better give them a days rest now and then to keep them in flying shape.When they are that young they just don't have the muscle to handle the roll they are designed to do.
You said you never had any past 8 month old so I can say you never gave the family much of a chance to prove themselves.By the way how many Turner's did you try?
One other thing did the ones that rolled down have a good tight roll?
For me I know the family well enough now that this year I am going to be breeding for Speed and not so much depth or frequency.I have the depth and frequency I want but need to add some speed if I am ever going to win the 11 bird fly.LOL. David
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MILO
41 posts
Dec 01, 2006
2:46 PM
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This thread is really interesting. Those of you that think Scott is an angry man, with no direction or purpose, need to understand how passionate some of us are about preserving the authentic Birmingham Roller. If you want to fly something other than what fits the standard, that's great, God bless ya, but don't expect anyone to buy into it. Also, to use our Fancy's legendary forefathers as fuel against us in our own arguments, is unwise. If you think I am misguided here, and forgive me Scott for pointing this out, under stand that years ago, before Mr. Campbell had the knowledge and experience he has today, he was fed a load of crap. As a novice, he put his trust into the wrong roller men and backward philosophies. His determination should be commended, not attacked. Don't confuse the ideaology, with the individual. Am I wrong Scott? Perhaps it's not my place to speak here, but for those of you that wonder why he determined to expose feather merchants and those who are, well, I'll say it politely, mongrelizing it's heritage, need to admire his efforts. "Cancer?" That's a bit much...Personal attacks are shameful. Criticizing someone's "practices" is completely different. Ya, Scott is over the top sometimes but he is an asset to the Birmingham Roller community. Period.
c
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
855 posts
Dec 01, 2006
3:17 PM
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C. Would it be much harder to post your name rather than just a little c ?
Since you think that to use our Fancy's legendary forefathers as fuel against us in our own arguments, is unwise suppose you tell everyone what an Authentic Birmingham Roller is you are trying to preserve.
Sure not the same rollers that were brought here from Birmingham by whoever brought them to the U.S. David
P.S. Just because Scott had a bad dealing with someone years ago does not give him the right to go on a crusade and condemn everyone who don't believe the way he does.His sickness is just like a cancer.His bad dealings years ago just keeps eating at him the way cancer does.
I disagree that he needs to be commended.I agree he needs to let it go and move past it as a personal lesson learned in life.
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Velo99
683 posts
Dec 01, 2006
4:21 PM
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David,
Seem to me the only time I see you on this site is to defend the midget clown posse. I too am a former member of the clown posse. I saw the direction it was going and made good my escape before buying into the philosphy of the Grand Pubah.
I am a proponent of breeding to the standard set forth by the NBRC to promote the hobby of COMPETETION flying with Birmingham Rollers. I have birds of the 514 line and from breeders I am pretty sure have kept the standard as a part of the program they run. You guys are saying Pensom Pensom Pensom. I am breeding Stephens,Forbush Starley,Borges and Kiser. Now ask me if I am breeding pureblood Birmingham Rollers.
The second the sperm of an ice pigeon cockbird on a roller hen fertilizes the ovum to get the lace wing,it ceases to be a Birmingham Roller,period. As pointed out earlier, breed what ya want to breed just don`t call them Birmingham Rollers.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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MILO
43 posts
Dec 01, 2006
4:22 PM
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LOL
Perhaps you'll remember me as the guy that booted you from the Performance List. Do you remember me now? You tried to push YOUR cancer on my list. I cut you off at the ankles. My name is Camillo. Milo is a nickname, my friends call me that. Unlike Scott, I don't get caught up in moronic arguments.
c
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JMUrbon
81 posts
Dec 01, 2006
4:59 PM
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Boy oh boy. IN Scott's defense I have witnessed one of the strangest Rollers at a gentlemans house that (I will leave the name out)just made me disgusted to think there were guys doing this to the birmingham roller. This Mongrel of a bird was a cross between a roller and a pheasant pigeon. Now imagine this. This guy finished in the top 10 several years earlier in the WC. He also had dam good birds at the time then he decided to try to reinvent the wheel and you can't find a roller on his property now.
I dont buy into the forfather crap because I built this family I have not Bill or anybody else but there are those that do and once again, it is their right.
If you guys will read back through the archives you will find some VERY sound imformative comments that have come from Scott so befor anybody bashes his knowledge of rollers and especially that of a quality roller maybe you should take a road trip to Northern California and witness some of his bullshit. The proof is in the pudding.Much more than I can say about alot of the opinions that I read.
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knaylor
319 posts
Dec 01, 2006
5:04 PM
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Joe, the way they thing is you either agree with them 100% so they can sell birds or you are evil!!! LOL All Scott and a few others have said is just be HONEST!!! Heck they just asked a very knowledgeable bird man to help them with the certification of birds. he never bad mouthed them but was honest on what good rollers should do. They deleted all the stuff he was saying and when he asked why they took that off too. Talk about a joke!!!! Ok David tell us how this didnt happen???
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Batlizard
7 posts
Dec 01, 2006
5:18 PM
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Milo,
No disrespect intended to you or anyone else, but from what I've read WAAAAAAY back in the archives on this forum, or any other published text, I've learned the Birmingham Roller has no standard. It's simply up for individual goals and direction based on "observations" written down as "guides" to the next guy in line. Sort of a "Unicorn" if you will - the unobtainable yet always souoght after rare and perfect specimen.
Rocky
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motherlodelofts
997 posts
Dec 01, 2006
5:58 PM
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Of coarse there is a standard Rocky, some don't want one for the reason that I will let you figure out.
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
856 posts
Dec 01, 2006
6:18 PM
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Camillo.Yes I remember you.And glad that you remember me.And Scott talks about the NPRA moderators and their delete button.You sure deleted me in a hurry didn't you.Was you really afraid that what I said was going to dirty your list? By the way I don't see anything going on there.What happened?
Oh and for those that would like to know why I got booted off the Performance Roller List that Camillo ran I will tell you.This happened a couple years ago I think.
Someone had painted a beautiful painting of a Roller.I made the comment that he even included the Dirty Factor in the painting.Which was the little white tic at the corner of the eye.Camillo just went apey and said "Not on my site"
Now do I remember you Camillo? Try to teach you something and you won't even open the book.LOL.David
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