Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
857 posts
Dec 01, 2006
6:35 PM
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Velo 99. Kenny.I was here long before you even got into rollers.Actually I think Nicksiders and I were about the only 2 that stayed with Tony when there was trouble over the Color debate several years ago.
At least you knew the NPRA wasn't what you wanted and left.That is everyone's right.No one is making Scott come over to our site and make him drag what we do over here.He does it because he has a grudge against anyone who don't believe the way he does.He does it on all the forums he has been on.
Why shouldn't I defend a Club I believe in.I will defend the NBRC,the NPRA, Tony's site and any of the other forums and Clubs I belong to if the need arises.David
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motherlodelofts
998 posts
Dec 01, 2006
6:36 PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the support, I didn't start this thread to rehash the mongral color birds though.
It was more to give the new guys a heads up about these jokers and the bad info that many of them pass off.
I might add that there a couple of good guys posting over there also and they are truely trying to help , they are swimming up a cow turd river though.
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
858 posts
Dec 01, 2006
6:49 PM
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Scott.Are you really concerned about the New Guys? How many rollers have you given to the New Guys starting out in the past year?
You are always saying how you don't want the new guy to fall in the same trap you did but what do you do to really help them get started in the Hobby.Talk is cheap.
I know you know what a good roller is but if you never share your wealth of knowledge and are always posting all this negative stuff that only gets the new guy all mixed up and finally decides to never get in the hobby what have you really accomplished.
I still welcome you to come into my backyard and after watching them fly tell me that they arn't the real deal and not a bunch of mixed up Mongrel Colored trash as you would have everyone believe that we in the NPRA raise.David
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knaylor
320 posts
Dec 01, 2006
6:50 PM
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david, why do you continue to ignore my question??? Truth hurt??
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luis
1 post
Dec 01, 2006
6:53 PM
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Well guys,i am a newbie as you guys call it but as a newbie i also have to educate myself as to the breed i'm dealing with and decide for myself were i want to take my loft and its birds.If people who enter this sport aren't smart enough to decide what's right and wrong(pertaining to standard and performance)then perhaps they belong breeding pretty pigeons.
Just my opinion.
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Luis.
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knaylor
321 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:02 PM
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Luis, you are headed in the right direction, but too many new guys are totally misled by untruths!! Now if they were just told the truth then that would be fine.
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rollerpigeon1963
111 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:06 PM
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I like to add something here if I may. My name was brought up in this topic. I like to keep peace here because I belong to both clubs. I want to promote the roller hobby. Now there is things that bother me and I take it where it happened. But to bring it here on this site really isn't my cup of tea. And to bring in the NPRA name and the name of the NBRC shouldn't be brought on this site in a topic like this. Because some will think they are speaking for either club. Now I might not agree with what happens on either site but I don't think putting it on this site will do much good but drive a few of us apart. Because there is good guys on either side of the fence. And once your in cyber world of a while you'll know where you belong and you will participate on what site you feel more comfortable with. Just like what your breeding in your loft. You pay the feed bill and you will make up your own mind.
Now if some choose to run there site, it will run under their logic and control. Nothing you can say will change that. But we can't keep fighting because all it's going to do is seperate more people.
So please don't use my name when you post on this site against the other sites because I'm for the hobby. I don't care if you have 300 birds or just 2. I know who is my friends and who has my back. I don't want to be negitive towards no one here. But if I have or had a problem with any site then I have to face that site. And have to deal with all the problems and the new ones now.
Thanks Brian Middaugh
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motherlodelofts
999 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:37 PM
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Brian, you are right, your name should have never been brought up, my apoligies.
Scott
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motherlodelofts
1000 posts
Dec 01, 2006
7:55 PM
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Dave , we have worked hard around this area getting new guys started , we have had new guys flying kits with us within two months , how do we do that ? every flyer in the club pitches in , the way we look at it the more the better.
I have given away countless birds trying to help new guys out localy, and quite a few out of state, that is how it works Dave.
Dave we don't bullshit new flyers , we give it to them straight, that is how we "all" learned ,not shooting straight with them it the worst thing that you can do.
Nor do we bullshit ourselfs and pat each other on the fanny when our birds are rolling like culls .
Scott
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luis
2 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:04 PM
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Knaylor:
In regards to people being misled.I think it is certainly by choice because anyone who wants to compete at any level beyond their local club,will soon find out what is acceptable and what's not.It's the responsability of each fancier to instruct themselves.The inquisitive mind will always surpass the lame one and we should all strive to better the breed.Unfortunately i must also say that each person has his own view as to what this means and they are in their own right to do with their birds what they desire.Once again though i must say there are standards for competing and if you want to win you have to follow them.If your not interested in competing, then i wish you luck with whatever endeavor you wish to follow for this is the U.S.A not the former U.S.S.R !!
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MILO
44 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:29 PM
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David.
It felt real good to boot you. I didn't like your post and I still don't like what you have to say. So nothing has really changed has it? I will not attack you personally. I hope you are enjoying your rollers.
c
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fhtfire
678 posts
Dec 01, 2006
8:52 PM
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David,
The birds I got from Bob were not his Turners...they were his Mason stuff and we both agreed that they sucked. I did not cut the feed on the birds I got back from Bob...I do nothing different now then I did then.....I do not believe in cutting the feed way back...My birds are on a mix most of the time and put on a pretty good show. Bob and I talked today through emails and I cut and pasted my posts and sent them to him. He said that I brought up some good points and that he now has some food for thought. He was concerned that I got a bunch of roll downs and wanted to know what happened. So I told him...the plain truth is...I read the stuff that was on the site about 25-30 excellent spinner...etc. and I did not know any better and they bit the dust...just like most birds that are rolling hard at 3-4 months old. Anyway.....IT was nothing that I did and had nothing to do with the feeding..they were just not very good birds and Bob agreed...that is why he moved away from them...anyway...I just wish he would not have said that they were good birds...if he really did not know himself...anyway..no harm ...no fowl....The fact is...if you sell, give away or trade birds....lay all the cards on the table and be honest with what the birds will do, may do, or may not do.....when they are young..they are nothing but POTENTIAL...
rock and roll
Paul
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Batlizard
8 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:04 PM
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Scott - I'll keep searching. From what I've learned in my short time reading, emailing, researching libraries, archives, the NBRC site, or any other Birmingham Roller reference, I have yet to be provided anything that will tell me exactly what "IT" is. Colors vary. Performance varies. Families vary.
From what I gather, there are numerous people that boast of the INTEGRITY of their family based on the principles of what the Birmingham Roller is....and they believe theirs are pure. Fair enough....
The tone here is just as David (Bluesman) has stated...cancerous. I don't understand the crusade of many of the people on this site. To visit another site for, as you stated "entertainment" purposes - after you, from I've come to understand, were one of the people that drove the "Grand Puhba" and others away from here is beyond my understanding. You wanted them gone, and yet you still persist. Did you not get hugged enough as a child? Because you're just a flat out BULLY. You are truly the bigger man.
All of you that feel the same and join in the reindeer games are just the same in my book. But what does my opinion matter? I've learned that it takes the "put up or shut up method to even be considered". So I won't elaborate any further on this. Just something to chew on.
Now, as far as Tony's direction. Learn, digest, ask questions, get your point across and enjoy a good debate approach...BLAH! There's nothing good that can come from this crap! This entire thread has turned into who can out do who with their knowledge. From what I've read, if you're going to speak of your wealth of knowledge on a topic, one should gain some first. For those not involved in either the NBRC or the NPRA, you shouldn't make assumptions of what you think is going on or what you think the direciton of the club should be. If you're not part of either club, then you have no say so on what the direction of the club should be. And if you do, take it up with their officers or RDs. Not in some unrelated forum such as Tony's. This is not a stomping ground for those that have no place to call their own. Here's a suggestion...start a forum of your own and host your own "smack down".
Scott, and others - if you wanted so badly for some of these guys you speak of to be gone, leave them the HELL ALONE! You're childish, bitter, and David is absolutely right when he says you're driving them in that direction - to the NPRA. I'd rather be there, than here and trying to weed thru yours and others BS.
Later,
Rocky
P.S. From what I gather about those "jokers' you refer to. I've read over there and don't see where you're attack on competition has any merit. THEY are not a competition club, so breeding birds of competition, to your argument, has no merit.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
856 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:23 PM
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Because Rocky said it, it must be true. Thanks for the clarification. Now I will sleep better.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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motherlodelofts
1001 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:28 PM
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Rocky to be honest I don't think that you are going to missed, you like few other only show up out of the woodwork on these kind of posts.
The good thing is you will not be locked out of here or censored if you do decide to return, unlike someplace else , well it was good knowing you for all of what, two posts ?
Scott Campbell
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Batlizard
9 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:34 PM
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Scott -
I've tried the "sit back and learn approach" and there was nothing said about my going anywhere. LOL!!!
I'm just pointing out some observations and stating my opinions. Isn't that what it's all about?
And don't worry about entertaining any of my points. You are anyone else, because you know you don't have a leg to stand on. I've read this same dance time and time again all the way back to page 60 something on this site. Someone makes a valid point and the thread either dies, or it's twisted into something else. So of course I wouldn't be missed. Sucks to be called out and not have any recourse...don't it!
Looking forward to the ride. I'm a scrapper and a newbie in your book....most of you should appreciate that.
Rocky
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Batlizard
10 posts
Dec 01, 2006
11:36 PM
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Tony -
Thanks for the vote of confidence! Look forward to getting to know everyone on a more personal level. Find out more about their view points and what make them "tick"!
Rocky
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
828 posts
Dec 02, 2006
12:22 AM
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At some point viewers and posters will learn that never-ending volleys of extreme opinions typed from the security of one's own home generally only has one outcome.
That outcome is that we learn a lot about each person's character. And from that learning experience we naturally form our opinions of our peers. Sadly, some good folks insist on falling two steps backwards for every forward step they try to take.
In case people have forgotten, every word you type into such a debate will be cut to pieces, admired and sometimes ignored. And nearly always such impressions are the sole methods by which others form an opinion of that person(s).
When it comes to the internet, you will often learn more by thinking about all of the things you shouldn't have said versus those things you chose to put out for the world, and your peers to read.
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Velo99
684 posts
Dec 02, 2006
6:03 AM
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OK Rocky,
The National Pigeon Association has a standard for the bird itself. The NBRC has the standard for the competetion side of our sport. Several years ago there was a "dual purpose roller" for both show and competetion. The result was an inability to meet both standards in most cases.
The men who kept competetion standard thru these many years have commited thier lives to moving the breed forward. Others have gone to the other direction to make the roller a beautful color filled rainbow in the sky. Unfortunately it isn`t a Brimingham roller. In many cases other breeds were used to achieve the desired markings.
I have never paired for color. I have never used a bird other than a Birmingham roller. Yet,I have birds of all colors and factors. If you want color,just breed. The origins of the Birmingham roller have enough colrs and factors to satisfy the color fascination.
I hope this answers the "why" in some of the dug in positions of some of these flyers.
jmho
yits
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
858 posts
Dec 02, 2006
6:27 AM
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Hey Rocky, take a breath. LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Mongrel Lofts
232 posts
Dec 02, 2006
7:33 AM
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Hi Brian,
Hey I'm sure glad your alright buddy.. Take care of yourself.. Hey, I would love to take my thoughts on the other site about promoting rolldowns, wing swtitchers, twizzling and tumbling as cerifiable birds.. I would love to ask how can a pair be proven in 06 when the birds are only 05's but sold as proven.. Problem is on the NPRA they won't allow anyone on their site that will say the king has no clothes.. They promote and sell complete junk to anyone who will buy it.. What that site does is sell, sell, sell and run down guys trying to raise rollers to a standard.. They won't let the side of breeding and bettering Birmingham rollers be heard because they are not interested in the hard work and it would surely hurt sells.. SO how do we take it to the other list, when they only allow those who agree with breeding for color, from rolldowns, and selling every bird bred because there are no culls.. How do we take these false hoods being sold to new guys to a list that won't let you reply with the truth,, they are selling and promoting JUNK? How do we take it to that list Brian?? KGB
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3757
93 posts
Dec 02, 2006
7:49 AM
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Brian - Well said!!
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
829 posts
Dec 02, 2006
8:08 AM
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Kenny, since I still call you a friend, I'll only take your bait once.
You and several others have a problem with not thinking before you encite a riot. Don't try and justify it. I understand your passion, but you seriously dilute it with your blindfully arrogant persistence. Most of us here are free thinking adults who can make up our own minds as to what we feel is appropriate or a falsehood in this hobby. I agree with much you are saying. What I don't agree with is the tone, the verbage and the actual point when we know where this leads every time. If you want to achieve something the most productive approach is generally plan and carefully, cautiously and yet with conviction, execute. The bull in the china approach shop might feel good inside your soul, but in the end, it gets you no where and sadly you lose credibility in the face of your peers. One of those is me. I struggle constantly with trying to keep a positive friendship opinion of both you and Scott. Ill-thought out actions such as this thread challenge that opinion. It truly makes me sad when my instincts lowers the impressions of a friend in this hobby.
If you have ever seen the movie "Colors", remember the very last scene about the bull and the herd of cows.
Walk--don't run.
Brian.
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Phantom1
143 posts
Dec 02, 2006
8:14 AM
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Kenny et al,
Just a point of clarification about the NPRA - it is not a "Birmingham Roller" club. The agrument to saturate our forum with information pertaining to ONLY a Birmingham Roller, will fall on deaf ears. It's not the focus of the organization, so you'd probably preaching to nobody...at least not anything new to those that may have Birmingham Rollers.
Tony's site caters to this information, which you share gladly. Keep it here. It's best for everyone.
Thanks,
Eric
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motherlodelofts
1002 posts
Dec 02, 2006
8:55 AM
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Sorry if I mis read your post Rocky , I just took it that with the string of compliments you were giving me and saying how you would rather be there than here that you were leaving (but they never really do).
In any case glad you are sticking around , there actualy is a lot to be learned from these kind of threads, you just need to look for it and determine who is full of shit and who isn't.
As for the standard thing, like I said, of coarse there is a standard , it is the same here as every where else.
Here is a mind twist, some over there on the dark side say that there is no breed of "Birmingham Roller" but it is only a standard of performance, then they say that there is no standard and why should we breed towards what others do.
WOW , wrap your mind around that one , that is deeeep, so basicly what the hell are we talking about here LOL LOL according to them we are talking about something that doesn't exist, SO WHATS THE BEEF LOL
Rocky I am glad that you are sticking around, and I hope you learn something.
Scott Campbell
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rollerpigeon1963
112 posts
Dec 02, 2006
9:11 AM
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Kenny,
You and I both know that the people who post and read post on that site does the same here. Cyber world is wide open for everyone. It just takes a different approach than the norm. Some feel more comfortable posting there because they really don't have a direction as yet to follow. But once they do see the light it hits them like a ton of bricks. How do you know they aren't listening to you but posting things over there for their opinion?
As long as there is this slamming one another there isn't any good coming from it. All your doing is driving/keeping those guys away from this site. Away from another point of view, they would never ask anything on this site. For the fear of being laughed at or made fun of. Kenny I know you well enough as well as Scott. If someone had any problems all they would have to do as ask you and you would be more than helpful to help them in any way possible. I don't think there is a person that you would turn away.
Now promoting roll downs well you know how I feel about people getting screwed from peddlers and merchants. It doesn't do anyone any good even the peddlers after a while. Because they will be brought out in the open soon enough. Stocking birds within a few months of flying only tells me a few things and none of it is any good.
Kenny it's like being at the fights! There is always that group of people who sells there birds and you never see them at the show. They sell to kids and new people who don't know better. Only to see them come back for better and better. Only to keep loosing their money. But after a while those people loosing there money finally see the light and see the peddler for who they are. And when they come to you for help what do you do? Do you say I told you so or do you help?
If another club wont allow you on their site to voice your opinion then its there loss. And a loss to their viewers/posters. But some people don't have a knack to voice there opinion in a manner that the new guy feels they are being degraded or put down. So they just sit there and read and never post.
Kenny you mentioned hard work man I can tell you first hand about hard work. Just because you buy someones birds that won the W/C or a national fly don't mean your next in line. And that is why we are here to discuss those things. From a competitors/backyard/hobbiest/rollerman/Puriest view point! Because what would be a real bad case of red a$$ is if these guys who have rollers. And been in the hobby for a few year decide to take a vacation and while they are on vacation they visit someone else who has rollers that are of quality and frequency. And all they can do is stand there with their jaw on the ground because they look nothing like the ones they have in their loft or flying. Then they come home all depressed and upset because they really don't have the birds they just see in the air. So they go looking for help are you going to be there when they do? Or will you slam them because they use to be a color breeder? or belong to another list. I remember when I lossed all of my birds a while back. There were so many people that wanted to help me. Even you yourself told me to send you a box and you would help me out. How can you compair to that? Not a dime was mentioned!!! that is where you know the real rollermen from peddlers.
Kenny why take it to the other list? won't do any good, all they would want to do is come at you from every angle just as if they came in here. It keeps a fence between the peddlers from the true roller guys. And when you do things like slamming or degrading others what are you really doing? Your helping them! your giving them that fence they need! Just made the price of there birds go up!!!! because they are willing to help at a cost.
Now I have seen my share of birds because every year I visit different parts of the country and I look up people with rollers. When I was down in Mississippi I looked up people who was into rollers. Either through the bulletins or word of mouth. I volunteer to judge different regions so I can get an idea what each regions birds look like. What each roller guy has in reguards as a set-up and birds. Its funny but roller people have the same idea or set-up as most. They have a loft, kitbox, and a favorite place to watch the birds. And the biggest difference is the birds in general. Some have bigger/smaller/colored birds. When I go to judge a flyer I want to watch the birds perform first then go out to the loft and handle/look at the birds. This will give me an opinion on what I just seen in the air compaired to what they feel/look like in hand. And they are as different as night and day. But it always the birds that feel like mine that are always at the top. You know that tight solid typie body with a good keel tuck. I have handled a few birds that you would have to use a shopping cart to take them from the loft to the kitbox. The ones that are long cast and rangie. But one thing I never gave much thought of is color! because if they were doing what their suppose to do in the air it didn't really matter what color they were.
This thing is getting to windy I better close for now but you have a idea what I'm trying to say.......
Doc said I would be around for another 15 years before it would even be anything wrong with my heart. Heart and arteries are in perfect condition. Thanks for thinking about me. Your good friend Brian Middaugh
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Velo99
685 posts
Dec 02, 2006
1:47 PM
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Eric,
Your previous statement was very true, but answer me this. What does NBRC stand for?
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Ballrollers
496 posts
Dec 02, 2006
9:50 PM
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This thread really stinks men. It stinks because it was initiated with distortions and half-truths, twisted to deceive others with one single intent; malice toward another roller site, another roller club and other roller men who happen to have a different opinion in some areas of the hobby. I'm going to step in it, here, just long enough to, hopefully, AVOID smelling like most of this thread; I hope.
In case you haven't noticed, men, there are few absolute truths that exist out there in this hobby; regarding the past history of these birds and the men who bred and flew them, and regarding the experinces today of the men who breed and fly them. It is, and always has been, all nothing more than personal observations and experience. For every postulate proposed as an absolute truth, it is guaranteed that equal and opposite eveidence abounds in the observations and experience of many others in the sport. For example Paul had an unpleassant and frustrating experience in his purchase of birds from, Bob. On the other hand, I purchased three brown check squeakers from Bob in March. They were represented to me only as unknown potential. One of the three has turned out to be an extremely fast, 30-foot spinner who flys and rolls from the front of the kit, never leaves the kit, and goes on every break; among the best type and performance I have seen in rollers, and I have seen them all accross the country. During our Regionals in the National Championship, the judge, a long time roller man out of Maryland, and known for being extremely tight, I might add, selected Bob's bird as one of the best performances that he had seen; and after handling it, indicated that it epitomized his ideal type.
This was confirmed by another dozen top roller men in my yard, whose names I will not disrespect by even mentioning in this quagmire.
On the other hand, I can list for you MANY birds that I have purchased from well-known, reputable competition roller men on both coasts, that haven't even come close to the performance or type of this bird! Now would it have any basis in reality to come to erroneous conclusions to support some agenda; or to compare these roller men based on this experience and damn those men based on my experience with a half-dozen or a dozen birds? Obviously not. Likewise the rantings and ravings in this thread about a man's birds based on what THEY THINK is happening, or what THEY have heard or read or believe, have little factual basis in reality. It's nothing more than a man's opinion based on HIS observations and experiences and has no more validity than yours or mine or anybody else's. And in our experience of life, one finds that the more hateful and vile the attack on another, the more insecure and fearful the attacker is about his own observations and experiences in life. That is one to remember.
YITS,
Cliff
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motherlodelofts
1015 posts
Dec 02, 2006
10:26 PM
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Cliff that is quite a statement for a youngster , hope you kept flying that little guy to make sure it holds up.
Scott
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Newflyer
86 posts
Dec 03, 2006
6:46 AM
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OH MY........I guess SCOTT must have hit his head one to many times or took in too much smoke. Cause now he THINKS that he is....G O D....almighty. Things never get boring around here lol
Paul
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Ballrollers
498 posts
Dec 03, 2006
8:18 AM
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Oh yeah, Scott. She's in my '06 A-kit and at 10 months she seems to be cleaning up her performance nicely. Time will tell....
YITS,
Cliff
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Phantom1
144 posts
Dec 03, 2006
9:26 AM
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V99,
NBRC, as we all know, stands for National Birmingham Roller Club. Do you know what NPRA stands for?
As I stated, Tony has done a very good job of keeping the genre here focused on the Birmingham Roller. I'm glad and happy for those with this bird, to have a place to post about it. I merely stated that in the NPRA, it is not our primary focus.
Eric
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motherlodelofts
1018 posts
Dec 03, 2006
11:31 AM
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Good deal Cliff !!!
Scott
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motherlodelofts
1046 posts
Dec 07, 2006
12:43 AM
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Alright, reflecting back on this thread, It was wrong of me to post this as it served no useful purpose other than to stir up the natives (which is kind of fun I have to admit) but if these guys want to pick up their rare colored marbles and go play by themselfs over in the corner more power to them.
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
900 posts
Dec 07, 2006
4:03 AM
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Scott. Thanks for admitting that.My offer still stands.If you ever get anywhere near my area stop and and visit.We will fly some rollers and have a good chat.We don't agree on everything but who does.I am still waiting for you to change my mind and my way of thinking though.LOL. David
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J_Star
713 posts
Dec 07, 2006
10:26 AM
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Is it time for a break yet?...a time to catch our breath before we get enrgized again!!! It sure sounds like it.
Jay
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
851 posts
Dec 07, 2006
10:57 AM
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Breaking news, the Blood Knights and the Color Crew call for a cease fire to police their frags, mend the wounded followed up opening a can of love and sipping it together around the campfire.
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dave
221 posts
Dec 07, 2006
11:08 AM
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LMAO, that is some funny s%%t.
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W@yne
48 posts
Dec 07, 2006
11:18 AM
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LOL WHICH 1 IS SCOTTY LOL
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birdman
244 posts
Dec 07, 2006
4:54 PM
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Brian, where do you come up with this stuff? LOL
That pic is friggin funny!!
Looks like a couple buds just enjoying the 'roll'... LOL
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
853 posts
Dec 07, 2006
5:32 PM
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It's a trade secret Russ...lol
Okay, here's another for your viewing pleasure
"Sorry kids, no easter egg hunt this year"
And still my all-time favorite (Chalk one up for pigeon breeders everywhere)
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2006 5:34 PM
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Hector Coya
19 posts
Dec 08, 2006
6:22 AM
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Never heard of NPRA ,someone please let me know the website,im ready to move over to there web site,im getting tired of this crap.
Im the precident of my local club SGVS let me tell you we get people now and then that just like to start contravercy,
There's one born every minute i just try to identify them before they get in our club. Hector. San gabriel Valley Spinners
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Santandercol
465 posts
Dec 08, 2006
6:42 AM
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Pretty low quality looking s@3$%t there Brian.The buds are too small and loose man!
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Kelly
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J_Star
718 posts
Dec 08, 2006
8:39 AM
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Hector, you have the nerves to ask us how to get you there. You are on your own bud.
Jay
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
885 posts
Dec 08, 2006
9:12 AM
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Hey Hector, I can't make everyone happy. Try to do something for one person, I piss off 10 others. Just look past the "crap" and enjoy the other parts.
Even the other site pisses some people off. They come here! Go figure? If you want a dynamic and relevant website, sometimes you have to let people speak their minds provided its done in a reasonable and civil way.
I kicked 1 guy off here yesterday and through email he's pleading to get back on. Go figure?
What's funny (ironic) is that people will go to youtube and watch video of car crashes, people getting messed up on bikes, skateboards, porno trash, and then come here and get offended by the differences of opinion. Go figure?
I would like you to stay. But its your choice...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Alohazona
213 posts
Dec 08, 2006
9:28 AM
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Guys,
Together we stand divided we fall.As a whole we are all roller fanciers.The NBRC has evolved over the last 40+ years to where it is today.The club is worldwide and has the highest standards, its a GREAT club.There is need for the NPRA,because people want to be in a club that has some different guidelines for involvement.I think a portion of its current membership feel they don't agree with some of the rules of the NBRC, and it take up to much of there valuble time to try to make it change.The only things the NPRA has in common with the is roller pigeons and a national involvement.Its a club to share experiences.The NPRA is in its infancy stages and is making steady progress.No clubs are perfect,just a common ground place to share experiences.BTW, I am not a member as of yet,I am the member of about 6 clubs,and cant financially be a member of every club I would like to be in,but I'm sure I will contribute in the future,when time and money permits...Aloha,Todd
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knaylor
334 posts
Dec 08, 2006
10:47 AM
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Todd, I disagree about the NPPA. They are new biut if you do not agree with them they will delete your posts and ban you from posting on their site. It has happened to many!!
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Hector Coya
20 posts
Dec 08, 2006
11:03 AM
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What happened to my post? all i said was it was getting old in this forum,why cant we all just getalong (like someone siad once,
we should be talking about the great spinner we just saw in our back yard,but all i read is insults from one to another,it seams to me you guys are not happy with your family of birds.just focuse on your birds and let people breed what they want,
I have the old Pensom line like many others ,but i have another loft with color some muff, some with crest and they all roll to my liking thats all that matters as long as im happy who cears if i have muffed or web feet on my birds,
last year i flew the fall fly ,i had 2 crest 3 muff 11 Bob Scott,4 norm reed in the kit and they did better than some people i concidered top breeders.
This year i guy here in Pomona that is a back yard breeder with nothinb but petsop rollers got over 400 points in the Fall fly ,he was disqulified becous he wasnt a NBRC member,his name is Fred Jackens ,
he had everybird you can think of in ther,he never heard of anyone on this hobby,abunch of us told him to fly when we saw his Kit,
Hector C
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rollerpigeon1963
114 posts
Dec 08, 2006
12:10 PM
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Guys,
I for one don't believe club names should be allowed on this site. Tony's site is Tony's and he makes his his own rules for his website. No one else can do that but him. Now I know a lot of us on here belongs to different clubs all together. But I think we should keep the names off of this. Because your opinion is not that of those certain clubs. Either it be the NBRC or some other clubs. Please don't drag another club into this because they are not part of it or voice your! opinions. Because some might feel that you are speaking for that club and the club backs your thinking. Which could be the furthest from your point of view.
So if you want to bash, badger one another thats fine but leave my and the others clubs out of it.....
Tony and moderators I thought you would stand up for something... Promote our hobby and leave the clubs name out of this!!!!
Because the last time I seen my bulletin it said Promoting the Birmingham Roller Pigeon and the Fellowship Among its Fanciers!!!!!
And within the pages and cover of this fine bulletin you will see photos of all kinds from Kenny Billings, Carl Hardesty, James Turner and even myself. And no where did I see where someone was refused to put an article within its pages. The bulletin dosen't discriminate it promotes and thats what makes it a fine bulletin.
So Tony can you see it fit to keep the names of the clubs off of here because you and I both know that there isnt just one mans opinion is based on a certain club. Its the opinion of its 1300 plus members that make the club.
If you care for these clubs you wouldn't bring the names on here!!!
Thanks and best of luck
Brian Middaugh
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highroller
2 posts
Dec 08, 2006
1:12 PM
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Guys,
When you talk about the N.P.R.A and whether they are promoting the "Birmingham" roller or not, you have to understand that the club is dedicated to promoting many kinds of rollers such as fireballs, orientals, NAHFs, etc. etc.
And yes, the Birmingham too. Some of them just call them performing rollers to try to avoid these sensless arguements but a few folks just can't leave well enough alone and stir the pot.
Also some folks like to push the idea that you'll be kicked out of there if you don't agree with a certain philosophy. These are usually the few who were booted because of their treatment of others and their relentless "pot stirring".
I've been booted from here at least twice (unreasonably in my opinion but we won't go into that here). Now I'm getting unsolicited newsletters from this site and figure I'm invited back.
Probably only be a lurker though, had to give up pigeons for health reasons and my opinions weren't generally welcomed; they didn't all fall in line with the vocal ones here.
Dan
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