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pigeonflipper
23 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:03 AM
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ok,,just so you get it nick,,,,there is no such thing as a tasmanian terrier,,,it is not listed with the kcc,or the vcc or any of the kennel clubs,,,,and you are a dictionary thumper,,but its ok its an easy way to think you are educated,,,i did see that you say you are judging the world cup,,,did you win it,,anyway,,lok forward to seeing you here,,,and be assured we wont take any of your crap here,judge or not,,,this unproductive thread should be locked,,,,
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Scott
382 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:20 AM
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Flipper ,when it comes to those f-1s, I can assure that you and I are not on the same page to what a good pigeon is.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Ballrollers
1145 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:35 AM
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Scott,
You asked me, "You aren't trying to suggest that he didn't crossbreed as did and do many others for color breeding are you ?"
No, I am not trying to suggest it....I am telling you for a fact, that he did not cross in other breeds to develope this family of rollers back in the 80s and 90s, just as I have told you a hundred times; though you refuse to accept the truth when it does not fit your agenda. He did dabble in some breed outcrosses on the side, but trashed them when he was not pleased with the f-1s that resulted; in type or performance. He used rollers with the genes or modifiers that he was looking for, that had already been developed by other men in the past. Some of them are believed to have been mutations in rollers (reduced) by the genetics experts. And some were breed outcrosses. No one that I know that breeds this family, is sweeping anything under the rug...except in your own mind. You must be talking about feather merchants...the color breeding kind and the pedigree inbreeders, as well.
And while we are at it, you are absolutely correct...the Indigo and Andys have definitely got the goods (Indigo is Andalusian without the spread factor), as do the the browns, the reduced, and the dominant opals. I recently got a pair of Rick Schoening's best stock pairs that bred many of the birds in the kit of his that you liked so much when you judged them.....the cock is a dominant opal. The weakest modifiers that I have seen are dilutes and almonds....both of which are native Birmingham Roller modifiers that was present in the original breeds used to develope the BR and has been present ever since. I know that you already know these things...talk about sweeping things under the rug!! LOL!
Cliff
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 6:37 AM
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bertie
197 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:40 AM
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Seems as if maybe you don't know everything flipper. I seen you knocking Nick about there isn't such a thing as the Tasmanian-born terrier! Well if you type in Google and search it you will see this. I only copied a very small portion of it since it has nothing to do with rollers in the first place.
History of the Australian Terrier Breed
Considered to be among the smallest of the working terrier breeds, the Australian terrier is also the national terrier of Australia. Research suggests that ancestors of the breed originated in Tasmania as a result of crosses with breeds hailing from Europe, and that the Australian terrier shares many traits of the silky terrier. The Tasmanian-born terrier featured a rough coat could control livestock. It served as not only a companion and watch dog, but also a dog that was able to kill snakes and vermin. It is said that ancestors of other terriers, such as the Dandie Dinmont, the Skye, the Scotch, the Manchester, and the Yorkshire terrier were crossed with the Tasmanian dog, which resulted in an impressive looking dog that was also quite useful.
Bert
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 6:41 AM
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Santandercol
2347 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:21 AM
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Australian Terriers
Gordo
Lupe(Loopay)
Dulcita is the Mom of Gordo y Lupe and hope to breed her again this summer.They come in 3 colours,Sandy,Black and Tan and Red
Lupe has the nicest coat of the 3.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 7:48 AM
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Electric-man
1479 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:30 AM
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Pigeonflipper, you got another fact wrong! Nick is not judging the WC! Haven't heard of him planning any trips to Australia either! Sounds like your making a threat to him if he does come down there!
Whats up with that? Nick is just one of many opinions around here! Relax and enjoy the site brother!
Kelly, I have liked those dogs every since you posted them way back when!
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Val
"Site Moderator"
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 7:33 AM
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JMUrbon
422 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:21 AM
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I have been following this post for some time now and I feel that there are actually 4 sides to this discussion. Those that breed stricktly for the purety of the BR, Those that like to make their BR's pretty ( by means of crossing ) and those that like the pretty BRs but achieved them after the crossing and now breed stricktly for performance ) and lastly,those that just dont care.
All 4 have a common bond being the love for the bird we just express it in other ways. The same can be said for somebody that drives a Chevy or a Ford or a Dodge or a Toyota.
I feel more injustice is done in this Hobby from the Feather merchants that peddle their culls at the swap meets to unsuspecting new breeders which are mostly young kids that we need to continue this great hobby. The kids buy these culls and then get discouraged because they dont do anything so they give up on the hobby. JMHO though. Joe
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Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 9:22 AM
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Scott
383 posts
Apr 22, 2008
12:34 PM
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Scott,
You asked me, "You aren't trying to suggest that he didn't crossbreed as did and do many others for color breeding are you ?"
(No, I am not trying to suggest it....I am telling you for a fact,)
BULLSHIT, AND YOU STATED SUCH IN THIS SAME THREAD.
that he did not cross in other breeds to develope this family of rollers back in the 80s and 90s,
THIS IS TRUTH < THEY WERE PROJECTS
(just as I have told you a hundred times; though you refuse to accept the truth when it does not fit your agenda.)
NO, ACTUALLY I TOLD YOU THAT THESE WERE PROJECTS BEFORE YOU KNEW THE DIFFERENCE AND YOU AURGUED WITH ME ABOUT IT ON THIS FORUM
(He did dabble in some breed outcrosses on the side)
HUH ? NO BAIT AND SWITCH HERE LOL , HELL HE MADE A VIDEO OF DOING SUCH , AS YOU WELL KNOW
,( but trashed them when he was not pleased with the f-1s that resulted; in type or performance.)
AND WHERE DID THEY GO ? THEY WERE SENT TO COLOR BREEDERS AND ARE NOW BEING SOLD AS SOMETHING THAT THEY AREN'T
Cliff
Of coarse he didn't cross that garbage in, the OTHER color breeders took it and attatched Turners name to it as if it was some sort of family.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 6:13 PM
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Alohabirds
147 posts
Apr 22, 2008
3:23 PM
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"Brian,
I am judging in the WC. I will not look at a man's birds before or after he flys. I decided that years ago. I will judge only the performance; nothing else.
I understand what people percieve is thier reality and I will carefully do and say the things that will enhance thier perception of me.
So, come down off of that horse you have been riding; I am not impressed.
Nick "
Val------Look again!!!
As MODERATOR, you might want to READ all the posts before jumping down someones throat.
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Aloha, Dexter
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 3:29 PM
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nicksiders
2725 posts
Apr 22, 2008
4:05 PM
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Dexter/Pigeonflipper,
I am not judging the finals; I will not be in Austrailia; I am judging the new Southcental Region in the US. I can assure you I will not discuss or give my opinion about anything during that the judging assignment.
The highlite of the trip will be at Aubrey Thibodeaux's place. We are going to have a party. It is always a party at Aubrey's
THE BEST KIT WILL WIN.
Nick
PS - I am not an educated man. I went to a state university to play football. I majored in a default area; Business Administration. I do use the dictionary to learn and not to demonstrate anything. The Austrailian Terrier was created using a breed of dog from Tasmania. I knew that because Kel has been trying to get me to have one since my last dog died about a year ago and I studied the possibility.
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 4:06 PM
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Ty Coleman
224 posts
Apr 22, 2008
4:37 PM
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Nick, Two questions. In the fly your judjing does anyone have colored birds? How do you think they will feel about you standing under there kit judging there birds after all of the comments that you have made? I personaly would scratch if you were the judge in my region because i feel that my birds would not be given a fair shot.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 4:37 PM
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Ty Coleman
225 posts
Apr 22, 2008
4:41 PM
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On second thought i would fly if you were my judge.I would feel going in that the best kit would not win but i wouldnt quit as i feel that is some peoples goals to get rid of any color birds in the hobby.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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pigeonflipper
24 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:08 PM
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Brian,
I am judging in the WC. I will not look at a man's birds before or after he flys. I decided that years ago. I will judge only the performance; nothing else.
I understand what people percieve is thier reality and I will carefully do and say the things that will enhance thier perception of me.
So, come down off of that horse you have been riding; I am not impressed.
Nick
WC=World Cup anywhere else
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Scott
386 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:13 PM
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Ty, a good kit can't be denied , kits of color birds are few and far between though when you are out judging so it is really a mute point.
Honestly I didn't even see that many color burds in the color Carolinas , they are more of a backyard flyers type bird
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 5:13 PM
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Scott
387 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:20 PM
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(i feel that is some peoples goals to get rid of any color birds in the hobby.)
They pretty much rid themselfs Ty with no help at all
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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MILO
917 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:33 PM
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Ty.
I think you are being a little too thin-skinned. Nick is a good guy, and it doesn't matter if he knows the guy has color birds or not. To assume he would alter his judging is an attack on his character. Anyone with a competitive bone in their body would want to prove him wrong, not drop out because of the judge. The birds do the talking, no matter what color they are. Honestly, it would be hilarious if a true color kit won the WC. LOL
c
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Ty Coleman
226 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:41 PM
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Milo i feel they attacked there selves.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Ty Coleman
227 posts
Apr 22, 2008
5:52 PM
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Milo, you have to over look me sometimes i need to post a sign around me that says dont tease the bull dog lol. You might have to get a break stick after me some times lol
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Ty Coleman
228 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:17 PM
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lmao
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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nicksiders
2726 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:18 PM
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Ty,
I don't care what they are flying; they can be flying pouters for all I care. I will only judge the performance.....don't you get it?
I believe my integrety is in tact, so you can back off a bit.
I don't know if any of those guys will be flying birds of color. I know my close friend Norm Herrin has showed me some "projects" he had going on when I lived in Mississippi. But, I don't give a damn if he is going to fly them on the 4th of May or not. I can't see much color from the ground anyway.
I don't believe you get it and you may not ever get it.
Nick
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Ballrollers
1147 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:19 PM
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Scott
At the time I was looking at those tapes, I had no idea there even was a controversy over color birds and added color modifiers. Why would I? There is nothing in the NBRC by-laws, fly rules, constitution, bulletin, WC, fly rules , constitution or any other club information concerning itself with this color controversy. The only place I find these questions raised, is in these on-line pigeon communities. If I was not on any list, I would not be aware of this controversy.
Cliff
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nicksiders
2727 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:24 PM
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Pigeonflipper,
I don't think you are getting it either(LOL). It has always been an Austrailian Terrier. A Tasmanian dog (probably in the terrier family) was used to create the Austrailian Terrier.....my god, man. Nobody is stuttering here.
Nick
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nicksiders
2728 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:33 PM
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Can you imagine passing a rule at this point and time in the history of the NBRC (National Birmingham Roller Club) that only Birmingham Rollers will be flown?
It will never happen. Only the formation of a new club could ever see that happening.
Nick
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Alohabirds
148 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:39 PM
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"Dexter/Pigeonflipper,
I am not judging the finals"
ick, Where did I say you were judging the finals?
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Aloha, Dexter
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Ballrollers
1148 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:39 PM
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Scott,
You said,"Honestly I didn't even see that many color birds in the color Carolinas , they are more of a backyard flyers type bird."
If anyone believes that load of crap, you should be selling swamp real estate in Florida! LOL! We'd better refresh your memory. Let's see...backyard flyers breeding and competing with James Turner(South Carolina) famly rollers in North Carolina in the stock loft and in their competition kits: Jay Yandle, 11-bird National Champion; Clay Hoyle, 20-bird National Champion; Joe Bob Stuka, World Cup Champion, Charlie Stack, 20-bird National Champ, myself...last year's Regional Qualifier in the World Cup and the NBRC 11-bird National Championship....Among these men, Jay and myself are nearly exclusively, flying Turner birds. Joe Bob is predominantly Turner family, Charlie is about 50-50 Turner family, and Clay has several. And then there are another dozen or so men who fly in our regionals in both compeititons, but have not qualified because of the stiff competition. We also have men accross the nation, Joe Roe in Ohio, one of the first to fly Indigo and Andalusians in a World Cup winning kit in the 90s, Alex Hamilton in Texas, consistant Regional Qualifier in both the WC and the NBRC and posting one of the largest scores ever posted by a kit (over 2000 points)....I mean this list will get so long that I am not going to bore you guys or waste my time, by continuing it. And that doesn't even include top competition men like Rick Schoening, Brian McCormick and dozens more who breed and fly a few color birds also, although I do not know what family they originated from. You get the point, I'm sure. It would be so amusing to see you attempt to distort reality like this, Scott, if it were not so pitiful! LOL! Especially from 3000 miles away from us, here in the Carolinas.....and ignoring some of those guys practically in your back yard! LOL! Ignore the facts if you like....just don't try to pass it off as reality to the rest of us, please! I guess we can't be too hard on you since you signed your post, "Just my Honest Opinion" LOL!
Just the Honest Facts....not Just My Honest Opinion,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 7:00 PM
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nicksiders
2729 posts
Apr 22, 2008
6:50 PM
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Dexter,
I did not say that is what you are saying. Just clearing up any questions anyone may have about my involvement in the WC.
Sorry,
Nick
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Ballrollers
1149 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:06 PM
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Scott,
I'm sorry. You must not have taken our medications tonight. But I can't let this bullshit pass. You said,"AND WHERE DID THEY GO ? (James Turner's project breed outcrosses)THEY WERE SENT TO COLOR BREEDERS AND ARE NOW BEING SOLD AS SOMETHING THAT THEY AREN'T" No they were culled, destroyed....that really is quite some imagination you have there, boy!
(He did dabble in some breed outcrosses on the side)
"HUH ? NO BAIT AND SWITCH HERE LOL , HELL HE MADE A VIDEO OF DOING SUCH , AS YOU WELL KNOW"....No, he made a video in which he discussed the inheritance of the basic roller colors and modifiers, as well as the rarer ones, describing the source of the color genes.
The rest of your responses to my post are so far out in left field that I will not dignify them with a response.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 7:22 PM
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nicksiders
2730 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:09 PM
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Ya know, James Turner just didn't do color birds. He ran several projects, but he has other birds than just the color birds. Clay showed me his Turner birds that had color bred into them; showed me how to find it in birds that outwardly looked like Birminghams. Joe Bob had no color birds on his property that I saw. He had a Baker bird or two that he keeps just to honor Mr. Baker. I am going to be spending a day with Alex and I will see how many color birds he is playing with.
You, Cliff are giving many the impression that these guys are flying straight up color birds.
This fight ain't mine, so I had better back away (put my gun down and back away)LOL
Nick
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kopetsa
564 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:10 PM
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WHAT THE DEUCE, who ever would have thought that this topic would get so many posts...
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Andrew
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Scott
389 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:27 PM
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Ballrollers
1150 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:31 PM
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Nick,
You said, "Joe Bob had no color birds on his property that I saw." What you thnk you saw in a few-minute vist of his loft does not make it reality. I fly birds with Joe Bob on a regular basis. I have some of his pedigrees, and I am breeding Indigo, Andalusian and Reduced birds of his. Joe Bob warned me that if I ever consider a project of outcrossing to another roller family, that he has only been successful with it when he did it once, and then bred back to the Turner family to retain the speed, depth, frequency, and quality. Jay, Clay, Charlie and myself trade birds regularly. Among those are Indigo, Andalusian, Reduced, and Brown. The color of the bird is usually, irrelvant....the bird is being shared with a friend because of it performance. Now, if you don't count those as color birds.......
We need to make an important distinction that arises from your post.... "I am going to be spending a day with Alex and I will see how many color birds he is playing with.
You, Cliff, are giving many the impression that these guys are flying straight up color birds.".........I am talking about a family of birds, the Turner family...as Milo recognized. So when I say the family being bred and flown is predominantly Turner's (South Carolina), I mean just that. The color of the birds will vary. Mine and Jays lean heavily toward Indigo and Andalusian. Joe Bob has more Reduced. But we all have any number of different ones in our lofts. As you noted, Nick, this family includes all the conventional roller colors and modifiers as well. In fact, many of the guys who came to the convention said of my birds. "Where are all the colors? These look like my birds! I expected to see more weird colors." And you will see the same thing at any of these guys' lofts. JUST BECAUSE A ROLLER MAN BREEDS, FLYS AND COMPETES WITH THE TURNER(SOUTH CAROLINA) FAMILY OF ROLLERS, DOES NOT MAKE HIM A COLOR BREEDER!!!!.....again, as Milo noted. Breed selections are made, primarily, based on performance by all of us, with character,type, eye, color all entering into the equation as well. The winning record of the region is sufficient evidence, enough, of that fact.
A color breeder breeds for color first, hoping to keep the performance in. Most of us are breeding for performance from a quality family of rollers that has multiple colors and modifiers among the birds. Many are carried as recessives. Others are standard colors that were hatched from parents that showed rare colors or modifiers. So are these, not color birds in your minds?? Isn't the issue whether or not they are of "mongrel" blood? So it doesn't really matter the color of the bird...the issue is that each bird in this family retains some iota of "mongrel genes" that was instilled decades ago and many generations ago. That is what bends you pedigree inbreeders outta shape, correct? That is why you guys are so far off base when you make these sweeping generalizations about "color birds" or "color breeders" or "Turner birds". They simply have little basis in reality. They exist only in your imaginations, in order to support your agenda for keeping the breed pure. And you continue to deny the facts and the truth when it does not fit your agenda or the point you are trying to make to support your "purist agenda".
So you see, for you to deny that these guys are winning with this family of rollers that you refer to as mongrels, based on the color of the birds that you think you see, just because you cannot see a color or factor, is a grossly incorrect decision based on your ignorance of the genetics involved, and based on your ignorance of this family of rollers. It's as simple s that.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 8:11 PM
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birdman
535 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:36 PM
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"Ty,
I don't care what they are flying; they can be flying pouters for all I care. I will only judge the performance.....don't you get it? ..........."
Nick
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Nick, I admire your courage.
What is your personal 'standard' of quality that you will be judging the birds on?
In other words, will you be scoring only birds worthy of the title 'Birmingham Roller' as described by Pensom?
Russ
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 7:39 PM
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Scott
390 posts
Apr 22, 2008
7:57 PM
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Scott,
You said,"Honestly I didn't even see that many color birds in the color Carolinas , they are more of a backyard flyers type bird."
If anyone believes that load of crap, you should be selling swamp real estate in Florida! LOL! We'd better refresh your memory. Let's see...backyard flyers breeding and competing with James Turner(South Carolina) famly rollers in North Carolina in the stock loft and in their competition kits: Jay Yandle (DOESNT HE HAVE JAQANETTS CROSSED IN ON MANY ? ), 11-bird National Champion; Clay Hoyle (ISN'T CLAY FLYING JAQANETTS AND HORNERS MAINLY ? BUT HE MIGHT OF HAD A COUPLE IN HIS KIT SO WE WILL GIVE THE TURNERS ALL THE CREDIT), 20-bird National Champion; Joe Bob Stuka, World Cup Champion (JOEBOB IS FLYING HIS OWN FAMILY S. CAR0LINA BIRDS CROSSED ONTO JAQANETTS AND RECENTLY STARLEYS,BUT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY HE FLYS TURNERS AND NOT GIVE THE MAN THAT HAS BEEN BUILDING HIS FAMILY FOR 20 YEARS THE CREDIT ), Charlie Stack, 20-bird National Champ (DON'T KNOW, BUT SURE DON'T TRUST YOU TO TELL ME, MY MONEY SAYS IT WASN'T STRAIGHT TURNERS THOUGH AS THEY CAN'T HANG ON THIER OWN), myself...(REGIONAL QUALIFIERS DON'T IMPRESS ME , SORRY)last year's Regional Qualifier in the World Cup and the NBRC 11-bird National Championship....Among these men, Jay and myself are nearly exclusively, flying Turner birds. Joe Bob is predominantly Turner family(NOPE,HE HAS BUILT HIS OWN FAMILY OVER THE COARSE OF 20 SOME ODD YEARS USEING SEVERAL FAMILIES, BUT WE WILL GIVE TURNER THE CREDIT) , Charlie is about 50-50 Turner family(50/50 ? BUT OF COARSE WE WILL GIVE THE TURNERS "ALL" OF THE CREDIT) , and Clay has several(SEVERAL ? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ? IN YOUR WORLD THAT MEANS HE FLYS TURNERS). And then there are another dozen or so men who fly in our regionals in both compeititons, but have not qualified because of the stiff competition. We also have men accross the nation, Joe Roe in Ohio, one of the first to fly Indigo and Andalusians in a World Cup winning kit in the 90s (WHAT HE HAD SOME IN HIS KIT ? I THINK HE MAINLY FLEW HARDESTY,BUT OF COARSE WE WILL GIVE TURNER THE CREDIT), Alex Hamilton in Texas, consistant Regional Qualifier in both the WC and the NBRC and posting one of the largest scores ever posted by a kit (over 2000 points)(AND THAT IMPRESSES YOU ? YOUR ONE OF THE FEW)....I mean this list will get so long that I am not going to bore you guys or waste my time, by continuing it. And that doesn't even include top competition men like Rick Schoening(YOU REALLY DO MAKE THIS SHIT UP, HE FLYS ENGLISH BASED FAMILY THAT HE HAS DEVELOPED,OF COARSE ONLY IN YOUR WORLD HE FLYS TURNERS, HE WILL BE SURPRISED TO HERE THAT) , Brian McCormick(MAINLY HORNERS,BUT HAS A LINE FROM A BORGES BIRD AND A ANDULUTION, OF COARSE IN YOUR WORLD THAT MEANS HE FLYS TURNERS) and dozens more who breed and fly a few color birds also, although I do not know what family they originated from. You get the point, I'm sure. It would be so amusing to see you attempt to distort reality like this, Scott, if it were not so pitiful! LOL! Especially from 3000 miles away from us, here in the Carolinas.....and ignoring some of those guys practically in your back yard! LOL! Ignore the facts if you like....just don't try to pass it off as reality to the rest of us, please! I guess we can't be too hard on you since you signed your post, "Just my Honest Opinion" LOL!
Just the Honest Facts....not Just My Honest Opinion,
Cliff
(CLIFF,I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW ALL OF THIS JUST LIKE THE CROSSING ON THE GENETICS TAPE, HONESTY IS NOT YOUR STRONG POINT IS IT ?)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 8:23 PM
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Santandercol
2348 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:04 PM
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Nick,
Hey,I hope you are still considering getting one or two(Aussies not coloured rollers!HAH!).
Pigeonflipper whatever your name is,
It was me that said "Tasmanian Terrier".My mistake.
Ty,
Consider yourself beaten with that stick!!!Try not to get angry on here we are all here to enjoy each others company.Peace.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Santandercol
2349 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:06 PM
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There is some beating going on here for true and I think it is a dead horse getting thrashed.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Ty Coleman
229 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:06 PM
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Kel could you show me where i have been beat i would like to see it.The only thing ive seen was two guys that were looking to stir trouble with no valid point, and still have yet to think of a valid point,this is like going back to grade school in a your mama debate.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 8:11 PM
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Santandercol
2351 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:12 PM
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YOU said you NEED to be beat with a break stick (whatever that is?)so I beat ya,cyber style.It isn't a frigging competition here to see who can win an arguement dude.Relax.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Ty Coleman
230 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:14 PM
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Kel a break stick is used to unlock a bulldog off whaever it a bitten. you dont beat the dog you pry with the stick lol
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 8:15 PM
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Ty Coleman
231 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:19 PM
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Kel let hear your opinion. If i tell you a dollar is the same as 100 cent and Scott says its only 99 cent and i know he's wrong how long should i debate it ?
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2382 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:25 PM
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Everyone take a chill pill. Ty, read the posting policy. Don't go round and round with a moderator (Kel is a moderator on hiatus). Thanks.
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gabe454
755 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:27 PM
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Man this thread is getting out of hand let it go guys!
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Santandercol
2354 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:29 PM
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Scott is probably right if you're talking yankee bucks and he's talking Canadian ones,although our buck WAS worth $1.10 US at one point last winter!!Imagine that,Eh!HAH!!As far as how long it should be debated?I would give up on the discussion as SOON as I realized I can't change some ones mind.That's partly why we don't discuss politics and that crap here.Frankly,I can't see where you were having that problem with Nick.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Scott
391 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:36 PM
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Cliff, the best kit I ever saw ? nice kit, but hardly the best I ever saw, where the hell did that come from?
Cliff,like I said his family is an English based family with a touch of Pensom that he has been develping for quite some time, that is a fact Cliff.
I know that at one time he had some strange blood from Ellis (who's post was pasted by you) you are stretching hard on this one like you did on most of them, sounds like he may have dumped the last of them , hope it works out for you.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 8:52 PM
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Ty Coleman
232 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:41 PM
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Senseless rhymes and word play. Posts seeking other forum members to respond to taunts.
Tony i assume this is what you were getting at when you singled me out. I called myself getting my point across sorry if you thought different. I had no clue Kel was a site moderator that was the first i heard of that, and didnt consider myself being direspectfull to him. I'll leave this alone as i know see i've lowerd myself to the level of a few others. my apologys.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Ballrollers
1152 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:51 PM
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Scott,
Do I have to go find your post where you said it was the best kit....to make you eat your words, again?
Not stretching anything, here. Don't try to evade the point of the discussion by invalidating me....I'm just presenting all the evidence to disprove your statement that color birds are mainly found in the lofts of backyard flyers, when the truth is that many of the top flyers in the country have them, breed them and fly them..."mongrels", as you say!. That's all. You might as well face the truth. You are beginning to look silly.....
Cliff
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Scott
392 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:56 PM
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(Scott,
Do I have to go find your post where you said it was the best kit....to make you eat your words, again?)
Again ? Please do go find it Cliff, it is probably the one under "what is the best kit you saw last year" it was the best kit I saw last year as I stated in the post.
I feel like I'm playing a chess game here LOL
(when the truth is that many of the top flyers in the country have them, breed them and fly them..."mongrels", as you say!. That's all. You might as well face the truth. You are beginning to look silly.....)
Not in my world Cliff, few that I know will allow such birds on the property.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2008 9:02 PM
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PR_rollers
931 posts
Apr 22, 2008
8:58 PM
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Man all this talk about colors got me going color blind..
Ty ,I had been using a breaking stick for over 20 yrs. now i got you on it ...let it go ..let it go..you got some pressure on that Jaw.lol...
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Ralph....
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Santandercol
2356 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:00 PM
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Right on Rafa!!LOL!
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Ty Coleman
233 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:01 PM
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i sorta guess i have to ive been scolded lol
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Santandercol
2357 posts
Apr 22, 2008
9:04 PM
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Lots of us get spanked at some time or other,me included.No worries,Mate.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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