Mayo
77 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:10 PM
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Ok Guys, Where and when did Indigo (Andiluians) enter the Roller families. How long has the color been in the Roller families. What was the first roller family that showed Indigo..................just a question to ask....MaYo
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Lipper
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214 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:17 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Mayo, you have a way of keeping things interesting here...
I was told that the color andalusion was first recognised in the 1930's. I dont know a whole lot about it other than many flyers claim their best birds come from it. I would say that if this is the case, the color is also tied to a gene that has the propensity for roll.. I currently have a couple pink or whatever they are that I am going to check out in the air...LOL
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Ty Coleman
542 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:21 PM
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Mike do you have a picture of your Pink birds ? I would like to see it.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
215 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:26 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
They are not really pink, Im not sure what they are..I thought everybody was kidding about pink rollers until today, but found out there actually are some..LOL You can see the ones I am referring to on the Chandler Grover thread I posted.
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Mayo
79 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:38 PM
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Hey Mike, Years ago I had talked to John Harp of Arkasas. He told me if you bred a cock bird that carries reduce over a hen that is kite you would get pink laced..................Just something I was told....MaYo
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Ty Coleman
544 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:44 PM
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A reduced cock will do the same on indigo, the hen in the pic sure looked to be double factor indigo, I hav'nt worked with many kite birds so i'm not sure of the efeect but it would stand to reason Mayo
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Lipper
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221 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:58 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
The breeder told me that every cock is check/kite and all hens are like that...
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Ballrollers
1685 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:01 PM
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Mayo,
Why not go back a little further to the turn of the century when they brought in tippler grizzle through a breed out-cross? Or maybe we could argue about the reduced factor and the evidence for and against its appearance as a natural mutation in rollers. Do you just have a thing for indigo or do you just like stirring up trouble and whatching other rolle guys have at it? I noticed in your last thread, once you got the fire started, you didn't bother to participate in the discussion. What's up with that?
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2009 8:06 PM
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Ty Coleman
548 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:02 PM
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The cock that bred them carries reduced then, reduced is sexlinked. The kite and reduced did a great job looking like dbl factor indigo reduced.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
222 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:08 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Cliff,
In all fairness, I think these younger guys do like to see the reactions from posts like this. I also think that if they are smart (unlike myself) they sit back and listen and learn...Mayo had no chance of being active in that particular post. What could he have posibbly added?
As far as this thread, I have been learning a bit.. Its just a topic..
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Mayo
80 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:13 PM
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Hey Cliff, I did not ask this question to start a damn argument I asked this question for infomation and to get other guys responce. like any of you I can ask any question pertaining to this hobbie..... I guess I need to ask the men that raise rare colored racing homer for the info.....and by the way the other post was not to start an argument either...and YES I LIKE THE INDIGOS, AND ANDILUSIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so there you have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Mayo
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Mayo
81 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:18 PM
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thanks Mike for the back up. and Cliff the other post was just a simple question......YOU Guys took it to the extreme... and like Mike said, who could answer to all that BS...................Just the way I see it!....MaYo
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Scott
1606 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:33 PM
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Mayo, it came from Homer crosses, it is not in the Birmingham Roller breed.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2009 9:57 PM
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Mayo
83 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:42 PM
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Dang! Someone call the FIRE DEPT. I just started another fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!
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Scott
1609 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:48 PM
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Mayo, I wasn't trying to be funny,you asked.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Mayo
84 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:56 PM
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Scott, I know you were not (Trying)to be funny...Just laughing with ya................lol MaYo
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jnyce
548 posts
Jan 30, 2009
10:12 PM
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I have an older guy in my club .when ever the convsation about were did rollers come from or something to that effect he would always say something about a tippler being crossed in people would laugh but he would be did serious
jerry t
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Ty Coleman
549 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:04 AM
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Scott, Don't take this the wrong way because im not sure that indago wasn't introduced into the roller gene pool but I have read about it in rollers as early as the 30's. From what I have read it hit the racing homers in the 40's from the Palmeto Pigeon Plant. So it seems very possible the homer guy's got it from us roller nuts. Indigo check is often refered to as Bronze which are two seperate genes, however indigo check will not produce andalusion until bread over a spread bird so how long could it hide in a family before being called bronze ?
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 5:08 AM
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Ballrollers
1686 posts
Jan 31, 2009
6:42 AM
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Fair enough Mayo....I was just checking to see where you were coming from...you have to understand that some of us have been hashing this stuff out on this site for four or five years, now....I suppose there are roller men who have been doing that all their lives.....
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 6:43 AM
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Scott
1610 posts
Jan 31, 2009
8:11 AM
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Ty, I know nothing about the early stuff and who knows what was going on,they did use the Tippler to get that high flying , you very well could be right.
But when I think "Birmingham Roller" I am not thinking Amercan Roller, Wittingham ect.,there is no telling what crossbreeding went on,and those birds are pretty much a mute point.
You won't find it in any of the Pensom blood , nor in the mainstream English lofts, and you even careing about such things will set you back,color breeders are a non issue in this sport for a reason.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 8:28 AM
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glenn
185 posts
Jan 31, 2009
8:22 AM
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Can I get an AMEN........Glenn
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
224 posts
Jan 31, 2009
9:19 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Scott seems to me that color breeders or any breeder who does not follow your way of thinking is a very big issue to you and your cult like followers...It is very interesting how the breeders in England talk about the crest showing up every where. It seems that you have determined it will be called a peak. Is that so it fits into your scheme of things and how they should be a little better? I do get a kick out of your claim about how all these characteristics are in all other rollers and not your pure Birmingham Rollers. It is sad that we have all this opportunity today and many are so afraid of it.
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glenn
187 posts
Jan 31, 2009
10:00 AM
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Hello Mr. Lipper:
None of the birds that Pensom sent over hear in the 30's were funny colored or had crests. Funny colored Rollers were crossed plain & simple. Stop calling them Brimingham Rollers and most of your problems will go away. Keep calling them Brimingham Rollers and conflicts & arguments will presist.
Glenn
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 10:01 AM
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Scott
1611 posts
Jan 31, 2009
10:04 AM
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Mike, you should be "pissed" you are buying birds where the breeders mis represented what they were, not only that but some aren't even Birmingham Rollers.
Buddy I have been in the same boat where you are now with a loft from here and there along with mutts from color breeders,it was a mess.
The best thing that ever happened to me was somebody being honest with me when I wanted to get serious, I in turned culled my entire loft,every frigging one of them,luckily I was smart enough not to make excuses for them or my ignorance.
Don't fool yourself , the breed is very much intact in this country,and around the world,and no you won't find those mutt colors in them,my own loft means little where the breed on a whole is concerned
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 11:10 AM
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Mayo
85 posts
Jan 31, 2009
10:21 AM
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It seems some of you guys get bored unless there's (some )Politics going on.My questions keep you all on your toes while most are sitting around getting Fat over the Winter.So why get so bent over nothing...It's a Hobbie for fun and to enjoy fellowship with our friends of the same Hobbie, So why do some try so hard to be such AZZEs instead of being helpful....OH! what was I thinking! Azzes! are Azzes!........LOL MaYo.
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
342 posts
Jan 31, 2009
10:54 AM
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hey guys show some pictures. I would like to know what they look like.
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RT Williams
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glenn
189 posts
Jan 31, 2009
12:26 PM
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Hello Mr.Mayo:
Instead of stirring the pot, post your advice on how to breed & fly the Brimingham Roller.
http://easonsloft.freeservers.com
Glenn
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Scott
1612 posts
Jan 31, 2009
12:31 PM
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There you go Glenn
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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spanky
759 posts
Jan 31, 2009
2:30 PM
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THERES THIS GUY UP IN N.CALI THAT BREDS ALL KINDS OF DIFERENT COLORS IN ROLLERS AND HE HAS SOME THAT ARE (PINK)
SPANKY
SGVS
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raffi59
8 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:04 PM
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we breed blue ones down under lol
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Scott
1613 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:22 PM
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raffi59, are you breeding the Nieble or Weins imports from B.C. ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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raffi59
9 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:26 PM
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nieble and weins can you tell me more about them scott
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Scott
1616 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:27 PM
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They both imported quite a few birds to Australia in the 90s to the main flyers , they are from British Columbia Canada.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 3:28 PM
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raffi59
10 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:31 PM
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so how good are they scott
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Mayo
87 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:46 PM
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Still the question is unanswered. Guess No one knows.
By the way MR.Glenn , I've been breeding and flying Rollers sence the Mid 70's ,I dont Claim to know it all, but after many years dealing with the Roller Hobbie ,would you think I know alittle about it!
(" In the words of Forest Gump"!) "I mite not be a Smart Man ,But I do know how to breed and fly Rollers.......MaYo P.S if no one likes the questions that I ask,You have the CHOICE not to reply or make a comment.....NOW! did that stir what was in the pot!
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 4:26 PM
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glenn
190 posts
Jan 31, 2009
3:55 PM
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Mr Mayo:
You did not give us you advice on how to breed & fly Brimingham Rollers, you have so much experience teach us something. To get your answer to a color question go to a site that talks about breeding color in to pigeons.
Glenn
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 3:57 PM
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Scott
1617 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:06 PM
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Raff, they are world class (the good ones) , of coarse white flyts are ok , most Birminghams have white of some sort on them , it is a breed that carries it's own beauty.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 4:48 PM
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Mayo
88 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:23 PM
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I (THINK!) This is a All Roller Talk Forum.........It Does'nt say.. (All Color Roller Talk Forum or All Birmingham Roller talk Forum, Isn't this right Tony?.........LOL,MaYo
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 4:33 PM
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glenn
191 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:46 PM
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Well Mr Mayo:
I hope that all you color dreams come true....Glenn
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 4:52 PM
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Ty Coleman
550 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:54 PM
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Glen I see you changed your post so I removed the copy.
A little harsh is'nt that Glenn
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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glenn
192 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:56 PM
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No it is not......Glenn
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Ty Coleman
551 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:56 PM
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The last time I checked Tony let us talk about color and performance and many other aspects of the roller hobby on here.He has never stated we had to just talk about pedigrred Pensom's.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 4:58 PM
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nicksiders
3227 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:58 PM
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The Tippler has nothing to do with the Birmingham Roller. The Tippler was crossed into the Wittinghams or American Rollers a very long time ago, but there are no evidence that it was crossed into the Birmingham......Scott is right on with that.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 5:00 PM
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glenn
193 posts
Jan 31, 2009
4:58 PM
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I will most likly get banned, that is not a problem. Cross breeding rollers for color and not admitting to it and passing them off as Brimingham Rollers is a big problem.....Glenn
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2009 5:05 PM
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Ty Coleman
552 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:01 PM
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Nick, there is no documents to support any of our theory's and that is what they are educated guesses, well some are educated lol
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Ty
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Mayo
89 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:04 PM
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Glenn , I breed for performance....I dont breed for color, I have Jaconettes and will always have Jaconettes................Just asked (Where,When, and How.............Thats all I asked.....Didnt mean I was looking to add the rare color to (MY) Rollers......DuH!...Lmao!......MaYo
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nicksiders
3228 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:05 PM
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Yep, if you know that the bird(s) you have have been crossed to achieve a color or spread then they are not Birminghams no matter how well they spin. You will be saddled to 11 Bird competition for as long as you have this type.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Ty Coleman
553 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:05 PM
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Glenn, just a guess but i bet there have been way more pedigrred birds that were stiff as boards sold as great birds than stiff color birds sold as great birds.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Ty Coleman
554 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:06 PM
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Love u 2 Nick !
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Mayo
91 posts
Jan 31, 2009
5:11 PM
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Ya just can fix stupid.................Mayo
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